LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by Tarrant » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:37 am

While they already tried that two years ago, I believe enough time has passed such that a challenge to Corbyn’s leadership could be made. However, I think there’s real fear among those you mention that if they did, they could lose again.

After all, they did try in 2016, and Corbyn increased his share of the vote from his initial contest and it completely humiliated the more centrist Labour cadre. Since then he’s led them to, while not a win, an improved position within Parliament (although one could argue that they’d have been in even better shape with another leader). Are his positions best for the U.K., or even a Labour? I don’t think so.

But in the end, the Labour rank-and-file get to vote on their leader they clearly picked Corbyn - twice, with 77% voter turnout at the last election. I think the only way he’ll get ousted is by either making some historically bad move/statement, or by there being another general election and Labour losing (after which the argument can be “He had two shots at it, we need a fresh face”).



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Post by fierceredpanda » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:45 am

I agree with all of that, except I think his handling of Brexit and tolerance for anti-Semitism should satisfy the "historically bad move/statement" prerequisite.

It's been a bad few years for the folks I really admired in the House of Commons. Nick Clegg was the future, once, but then he jumped into bed with David Cameron, who was also the future, once, before he decided he needed to co-opt BoJo and Nigel Farrage.


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:55 am

Brexit: The DUP says there is 'no way' it will back PM's deal

There is "no way" the Democratic Unionist Party will back Theresa May's Brexit deal, a leading figure has said.

Sammy Wilson told the BBC he was "more alarmed" than ever about what the deal would mean for Northern Ireland.

The DUP, which props up Theresa May's government, has held talks with the PM in recent days as she tries to persuade MPs to back the deal later this month.

The PM is seeking further legal assurances from the EU but it has said negotiations will not be re-opened.



https:// www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46757459



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Post by Volkonski » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:53 pm

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We'll still have food, says a senior Leaver: “We won’t be able to get certain foods like bananas or tomatoes but it’s not like we won’t be able to eat. And we’ll be leaving at a time when British produce is beginning to come into season so it’s the best possible time to leave.”

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What British produce ripens in March?


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Post by Estiveo » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:56 pm

The spotted dick trees are just now blooming.


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Post by Reality Check » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:15 pm

I can't see a solution to the Irish problem with any form of Brexit. If the UK sets up a border it will inevitably lead to violence. But how can you have two separate countries without a border? As Foggy says it's a :pickle:


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Post by Mikedunford » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:24 pm

Estiveo wrote:
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The spotted dick trees are just now blooming.
Too early in the season. I think you might have been fooled by the presence of Rees-Mogg in your field of view.


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Post by Jim » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:31 pm

Volkonski wrote:
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What British produce ripens in March?
Well, for the Brexit supporters, crow. They'll be eating lots and lots of crow.



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Post by Reality Check » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:11 am

Britain's May to hold parliamentary Brexit vote on January 15: BBC
LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Theresa May will hold a delayed parliamentary vote on her Brexit deal on Tuesday, January 15, the BBC reported on Monday, citing government sources.

May was forced to pull the vote on her deal in December after she said it would be defeated by a large majority. The government had previously said the vote would be held in the week of January 14.

May said on Sunday that Britain would be in uncharted territory if her Brexit deal is rejected by parliament, despite little sign that she has won over sceptical lawmakers.


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Post by Adrianinflorida » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:59 am

Who would have thought that after nearly 3 years, BREXIT would be a complete cluster cluck

The "Leave" faction deserves a no-deal BREXIT, and all of the difficulty that will go with that. Enjoy needing a visa for trips to Europe. Enjoy paying international roaming on your cell phones in the EU, enjoy duty on all imports, and enjoy the end of cheap flights into Europe

It's the "Stay" Brits are getting screwed.



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Post by Volkonski » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:06 pm

Time to stock up on stilton cheese. :?


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Post by Mikedunford » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:19 pm

Adrianinflorida wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:59 am
Who would have thought that after nearly 3 years, BREXIT would be a complete cluster cluck

The "Leave" faction deserves a no-deal BREXIT, and all of the difficulty that will go with that. Enjoy needing a visa for trips to Europe. Enjoy paying international roaming on your cell phones in the EU, enjoy duty on all imports, and enjoy the end of cheap flights into Europe

It's the "Stay" Brits are getting screwed.
I don't think I've ever used the phrase "cluster cluck." And I don't think I've used the unbowdlerized equivalent to describe Brexit, but only because I don't think the phrase does it justice - not remotely.

There was simply no way that a deal could be made in the time available to handle everything involved in Brexit competently in the time available - and there was no way that one could be made to satisfy everyone involved in any universe ever because the leave crowd have always had insanely unrealistic expectations and nobody else wanted leave to be the outcome. It's remarkable that it seems to have taken so long for certain people to figure this out.


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Post by Adrianinflorida » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:25 pm

Meh, I was self censoring

Anyway, BREXIT on a whim, which is what Cameron caused, was doomed to fail. The UK had EU membership, with more benefits than any other member state. Then, when BREXIT was voted in, they have the audacity to want to dictate the terms.

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Post by Volkonski » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:38 pm

City firms prepare to shift £800bn out of UK as Brexit looms

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... 1546891719
EY financial services’ Brexit Tracker said 20 companies had announced plans to transfer assets – chiefly client cash and investments such as stock and bond holdings – out of London before 29 March.

The actual number could be higher: EY noted that not all City firms have publicly declared plans to shift their assets abroad.

The lobby group Frankfurt Main Finance forecast last year that up to €800bn (£72obn) of assets would be moved from London to the German financial hub.

Omar Ali, EY’s financial services leader, said: “We know that behind the scenes, firms are continuing to plan for a no-deal scenario. The closer we get to 29 March without a deal, the more assets will be transferred and headcount hired locally or relocated.”


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Post by Reality Check » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:11 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:38 pm
City firms prepare to shift £800bn out of UK as Brexit looms
:snippity:
Rut-roh


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Post by Mikedunford » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:46 pm

There was literally no part of Brexit that was seriously considered at anything near an adequate level of detail prior to the referendum. Even less was seriously considered in a competent manner.


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Post by Dan1100 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:11 pm

This ends with the Royal Family moving to Toronto and ruling England and Scotland as annexed Canadian provinces.


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:24 pm

Looks to me as if the UK will have sufficient room for accomodation of their new "boat people" immigrants rather than EU nationals :twisted:



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Post by Adrianinflorida » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:39 pm

When we lived there, the referendum had been announced, and one of our neighbors was supporting"Leave" to reduce the immigration of Pakistanis to the UK

He really couldn't comprehend that the E. U. Had nothing to do with Pakistani immigration

Their nationalists/isolationists are no more intelligent than those in the US or anywhere else.



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Post by Reality Check » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:06 pm

Russia must be gleeful right now. Two great democracies are in the shitter as we speak. They actually pulled it off.


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Post by Lani » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:40 am

Reality Check wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:06 pm
Russia must be gleeful right now. Two great democracies are in the shitter as we speak. They actually pulled it off.
I've been thinking about that. A lot. For more than 2 years. But yesterday I really sunk into depression. Played with the dog a lot. Cleaned some stuff out of a closet to donate. Kept busy. Not nearly as bad as the '16 election, but a deep sadness that the UK seems determined to commit economic suicide while my country continues sliding into a plutarchy.

It wouldn't surprise me if trump declares an emergency tomorrow. Even if he doesn't, we now know what he plans to do at some point.


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Post by Uninformed » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:38 pm

While being interviewed by the BBC the Minister for Business and Industry, Richard Harrington (I think it was he), mentioned the possibility of rescinding Article 50. Not sure he meant to say that.



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