Vaccines for All - Vaxers vs Antivaxers

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Post by DejaMoo » Tue May 09, 2017 5:09 pm

Flatpointhigh wrote:In this instance, I wonder how racism is playing a role.
It isn't racism. Something weird is going on with the Somali immigrant community, in that a disproportionate number of their children have been diagnosed with autism. This has alarmed their community, and naturally one of the things they wonder is if it is related to anything new or different about their new home compared to their old home (Somalia).

Well, one of the different things is that we recommend vaccinations here. This was something the community was just fine about, until the rabid anti-vaxxers showed up and began telling the Somalis all their bogus stories about vaccinations causing autism. Since then, the percentage of Somali children vaccinated against measles has plummeted.

It's yet another example of targeted propaganda. The anti-vaxxers saw a vulnerable community and zeroed in on it.



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Post by RoadScholar » Tue May 09, 2017 5:26 pm

And it's easy to do so when so few people (of any stripe) are familiar with the concept of ad hoc ergo propter hoc being a fallacy.

Yet another problem that could be ameliorated by better education.


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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Tue May 09, 2017 6:04 pm

jmj wrote:
Sugar Magnolia wrote:How would racism play a role?
I suppose the implication is that racism (at least "systemic racism") plays a role in the disparity of health information and health care quality that reaches minority / immigrant / muslim populations. And there's probably some truth to that, but I don't think it's what's driving the recent spate of cases.
OK. I can't imagine how racism would affect kids getting shots so they can go to school though.



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Post by Slartibartfast » Wed May 10, 2017 12:17 am

RoadScholar wrote:And it's easy to do so when so few people (of any stripe) are familiar with the concept of ad hoc ergo propter hoc being a fallacy.

Yet another problem that could be ameliorated by better education.
Um... I think you meant post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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In any case, using logical fallacies to prey on uneducated parents of autistic children is despicable.


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Post by RoadScholar » Wed May 10, 2017 4:56 am

Yeah. Brain fart. :oops:

When I learned that stuff, Eohippus roamed the plains.


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Post by tek » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:21 pm

Talking about the risk a non-vaccinated child poses:
http://wwlp.com/2017/08/02/vaccinations ... -school-2/
“The question you have to ask yourself is if you have a healthy child that is healthy enough to get vaccines and if your child is playing with someone who’s not healthy enough to get vaccines and your child gives that child an illness that is preventable. That child could die and it’d be your fault.” Dr. Matthew Sadof, Pediatrician at Baystate Children’s Hospital
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Post by maydijo » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:25 pm

Last month, a woman died tragically shortly after giving birth to her second child via c-section. She had been rushed to the hospital with a suspected ear infection, which turned out to be Pneumococcal 19F. It is believed she caught the disease from her unvaccinatted 17 month old; Pneumococcal 19F is one of the strains covered by the Pneumococcal vaccine, which is administered to children at 2, 4, and 6 months of age.

http://honey.nine.com.au/2017/07/31/09/ ... ed-toddler



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:35 am

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trump adviser says ignore flu shots and 'inoculate yourself with the word of God'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-adviser- ... d=52897631
A Texas-based evangelist with ties to President Donald Trump came under fire this week after video re-surfaced of her telling followers that they don't need to get a flu shot because "Jesus himself gave us the flu shot."

Gloria Copeland, a member of the president's faith advisory council, posted the video last Wednesday, but it began to gain traction this week after a number watch groups re-posted it on social-media channels.

"Listen, partners, we don't have a flu season," Copeland, 75, said in a Facebook video posted Jan. 31. "We've got a duck season, a deer season, but we don't have a flu season."

"And don't receive it when somebody threatens you with, 'Everybody is getting the flu,'" she added. "We've already had our shot. He bore our sicknesses and carried our diseases. That's what we stand on."
People like this woman are a danger to the country. :madguy:


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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:41 am

I think she was also responsible for an outbreak of measles a few years ago in Texas, too.



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Post by Volkonski » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:35 am


Heartbroken family explains why 3-year-old who died from flu wasn’t vaccinated


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/family-hau ... d=53037673
Alivia Viellieux, of Muncie, Indiana, died at home Monday morning, just days after being diagnosed. The girl's grandmother, Tameka Stettler, said the family is second-guessing its decision not to vaccinate her.

Stettler said Alivia’s parents declined to give her the flu shot after hearing that the vaccination could be ineffective.

"Alivia did not have it because they had told us once the flu is going around it's not going to matter if you got it or not," Stettler said in an interview with ABC affiliate WRTV on Monday. "We just decided not to put those chemicals and the girls body if it's not gonna help."
Just who were "they"? :madguy:


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri May 11, 2018 7:54 pm

Cause shingles has been mentioned mostly in this thread.

I remember this subject came up a few times in the past (and the critter picked me also too a decade ago).
The New Shingles Vaccine: What You Should Know About Shingrix
The CDC now recommends this vaccine for its strong, longer-lasting protection

By Diane Umansky
Last updated: January 25, 2018

Today, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made its formal recommendations for the use of Shingrix—a new vaccine that appears to offer significantly better protection against shingles, a blistering skin eruption that typically affects people older than 50.

Shingrix is the first new shingles vaccine in more than a decade and only the second to ever be approved (Zostavax was the first) by the Food and Drug Administration.

In October the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, came out with three major recommendations for Shingrix, and the CDC officially accepted them.

Now the CDC is recommending that Shingrix—a two-dose vaccine—be given to people starting at age 50, a full 10 years earlier than its advice for getting Zostavax.

The CDC also recommends that people who have already gotten Zostavax should now get Shingrix as well and that Shingrix is officially the preferred vaccine over Zostavax, a single-dose vaccine. Those who’ve had shingles, which occasionally recurs, should also receive Shingrix.


https://www.consumerreports.org/shingle ... ould-know/



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Post by Volkonski » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:44 pm

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1000s protest in Warsaw against compulsory vaccinations. Number of Polish parents refusing to vaccinate kids up 800% since 2010 (with cases of measles up 900%). This year Poland dropped below 95% measles vaccination threshold required for herd immunity

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