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northland10 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 pm The Know-Nothings return ever so often to remind us of our ugly underbelly. Always find it interesting to find some descendent of the Irish who came in the 19th century complaining about immigrants today. All the same damn arguments used one their ancestors. Same thing with folks like Mario Apuzzo.

It's a bit like the folks who would move up north to Traverse City and then complain about the new housing developments and other people coming up to TC. They lived by the rule, I'm here, now shut the door.

northland10 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:12 pm The Know-Nothings return ever so often to remind us of our ugly underbelly. Always find it interesting to find some descendent of the Irish who came in the 19th century complaining about immigrants today. All the same damn arguments used one their ancestors. Same thing with folks like Mario Apuzzo.

It's a bit like the folks who would move up north to Traverse City and then complain about the new housing developments and other people coming up to TC. They lived by the rule, I'm here, now shut the door.

Breaking: Ten members of Congress who were in the House gallery as rioters breached the Capitol on January 6 are adding their names to the NAACP lawsuit first filed in February against Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

OOF: DC judge REJECTS request from accused Proud Boy & Capitol insurrectionist Chris Worrell for release from jail. Worrell has been treated for 14 years for lymphoma and is concerned about COVID. Judge says...You didn’t seem concerned while in “mob” on Jan 6 “without a mask”

When the political scientist Robert Pape began studying the issues that motivated the 380 or so people arrested in connection with the attack against the Capitol on Jan. 6, he expected to find that the rioters were driven to violence by the lingering effects of the 2008 Great Recession.

But instead he found something very different: Most of the people who took part in the assault came from places, his polling and demographic data showed, that were awash in fears that the rights of minorities and immigrants were crowding out the rights of white people in American politics and culture.

If Mr. Pape’s initial conclusions — published on Tuesday in The Washington Post — hold true, they would suggest that the Capitol attack has historical echoes reaching back to before the Civil War, he said in an interview over the weekend. In the shorter term, he added, the study would appear to connect Jan. 6 not only to the once-fringe right-wing theory called the Great Replacement, which holds that minorities and immigrants are seeking to take over the country, but also to events like the far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017 where crowds of white men marched with torches chanting, “Jews will not replace us!”

“If you look back in history, there has always been a series of far-right extremist movements responding to new waves of immigration to the United States or to movements for civil rights by minority groups,” Mr. Pape said. “You see a common pattern in the Capitol insurrectionists. They are mainly middle-class to upper-middle-class whites who are worried that, as social changes occur around them, they will see a decline in their status in the future.”

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:34 am Kicking the ladder out behind you once you've climbed it is, I'm sorry to say, as American as apple pie and baseball.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honoré and his task force prepared a report after the Jan. 6 insurrection on how to improve security at the Capitol complex. It found that Capitol Police “were understaffed, insufficiently equipped, and inadequately trained to secure the Capitol and Members” when the violent mob stormed the building.

Honoré’s team noted that 233 vacancies and increased work demands have resulted in an “unsustainable” model of overtime use in the force, which is authorized to have 2,072 officers. There were almost 720,000 overtime hours across the force in fiscal 2020 alone. The report recommended that Capitol Police add a total of 854 positions.

The staffing shortfall, coupled with increased requirements to guard entry points at the inner fence around the complex (the outer fence was taken down at the end of March at the behest of lawmakers), has resulted in low morale and officers regularly working so much they say they barely see their families. Further complicating matters, there are hundreds of officers eligible to retire over the next five years and others want to leave.

“We’re already very short. People are quitting every day,” the first officer said. “Basically every single person I know is looking for another job. Just applications everywhere.”

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:08 pm I don't find that surprising. That's what animated the Trump cult from the beginning.

The development is the first indication that people charged in the insurrection are cooperating against the pro-Trump extremist group. Federal prosecutors have made clear they are focused on building conspiracy cases against leadership of the Proud Boys and paramilitary groups like the Oath Keepers.

Court records have made murmurs for weeks about cooperators and plea deals in the works, and prosecutors revealed that a rioter wearing an Oath Keepers hat was in talks to cooperate earlier this week.



What happens next is likely to follow the same pattern in organized crime or drug investigations, with prosecutors pressuring knowledgeable defendants to become witnesses. Some may sign up to cooperate, and many of those charged are likely to plead guilty to avoid trial or more severe charges.

It's always been likely prosecutors would gain cooperators against the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other extremist factions involved in the riot, according to several defense attorneys involved in the cases.

(CNN)Federal prosecutors have informed some Capitol riot defendants the Justice Department has given the green-light to cut guilty plea deals, a step toward bringing the first of the hundreds of cases to a close, according to attorneys involved in the talks.

Defense lawyers involved have long recognized that much of the evidence in the Capitol riot cases isn't disputable enough to take to trial -- especially because so much is on video -- and that many of the more than 350 people charged would want to end their court proceedings quickly. But the cases have stalled for weeks as the Justice Department worked out what it was willing to offer, prompting attorneys to ask for delays in many of the court proceedings.

It's not clear yet which or how many defendants may be getting plea deals, and they haven't been offered to all interested defendants at this time, the attorneys told CNN. Lawyers who spoke to CNN described deals for defendants with misdemeanors, and not the cases with more severe charges.

neonzx wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 am imho, given the 800+ persons who breached the building... they all should be held to account, even if they did nothing more than enter. They are accomplices to the crimes. They helped create a mob that encouraged that actual violent perps.

neonzx wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 am imho, given the 800+ persons who breached the building... they all should be held to account, even if they did nothing more than enter. They are accomplices to the crimes. They helped create a mob that encouraged the actual violent perps.

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:47 am I don’t disagree. They just won’t be punished as harshly.

Volkonski wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:44 am

neonzx wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:42 am imho, given the 800+ persons who breached the building... they all should be held to account, even if they did nothing more than enter. They are accomplices to the crimes. They helped create a mob that encouraged that actual violent perps.