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SC's Joe Cunningham slams Bernie Sanders' 'socialism' ahead of 2020 Democratic primary

COLUMBIA — U.S. Rep. Joe Cunningham, one of only two Democratic congressmen from South Carolina, forcefully rebuked U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday, jolting the state's "First in the South" presidential primary race just hours after the Vermont senator won in New Hampshire.

In a statement to The Post and Courier, the first-term congressman from Charleston said he does not plan on making an endorsement ahead of South Carolina's Feb. 29 primary but will "defend our Lowcountry values of opportunity, pragmatism and common sense.”

“South Carolinians don’t want socialism," Cunningham said. "We want to know how you are going to get things done and how you are going to pay for them. Bernie’s proposals to raise taxes on almost everyone is not something the Lowcountry wants and not something I’d ever support."

Asked if he would support Sanders if he becomes the Democratic presidential nominee, Cunningham rejected the question's premise.

"Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee," he said.

Sanders' campaign declined to respond.
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Centrist Democrats See Hope In 2020 Race Even As Sanders Leads

For centrist Democrats the most important theme to emerge from the New Hampshire primary was "don't count us out."

For weeks they have been grappling with the reality that Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, is shaping up to be their party's front runner for president. Moderates say surging support for two more moderate Democrats is signal that their wing of the party has a chance to take the nomination. But there is growing pressure on centrists to unite around a single candidate before Sanders becomes unbeatable.

"What I think you're seeing is an electorate that is looking hard at several alternatives," said Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del. "Amy Klobuchar, Mayor Pete Buttigeg and Joe Biden."

Coons, a top supporter of former Vice President Joe Biden, says pundits are rushing to anoint Sanders as the presumptive head of the Democratic party. But he says the results in Iowa and New Hampshire tell a different story. ...

Biden supporters in particular are pinning their hopes on the first southern contest. They say the tide will turn because Biden polls well with African American voters who make up a much larger share of the Democratic party there.
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Now comes the hard part for Buttigieg and Klobuchar

Buttigieg and Klobuchar did well in New Hampshire on Tuesday, but they have yet to break in with the voters of color about to get their say.


Pete Buttigieg was all set to skip King Day at the Dome, a rally commemorating Martin Luther King Jr. in Columbia, S.C., and instead attend an MLK event in his hometown — until South Carolina state Rep. J.A. Moore intervened, after learning Buttigieg would be absent while most of his Democratic presidential rivals attended.

Moore screen-grabbed an article about Buttigieg’s planned absence and texted it to one of Buttigieg’s senior staffers with a terse addition: three question marks. The campaign, which has struggled to generate black support, reversed course. “He had to be there, and they listened,” said Moore, who endorsed Buttigieg this week.

The episode illustrates the Buttigieg campaign’s “willingness to take constructive criticism,” Moore said — but also the steep hole in organizing, support and experience politicking among voters of color that he and Amy Klobuchar face as the 2020 Democratic primary moves into more diverse territory.

Buttigieg and Klobuchar, who was also slow to confirm her attendance at King Day at the Dome but later reversed course, bounced out of Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary with top-three finishes, media attention and money flowing into their campaigns. But all that momentum could easily evaporate as they turn to states with significant numbers of Latino and African American voters, who have yet to show interest in either candidate in real numbers so far in the 2020 race, despite significant spending by Buttigieg in South Carolina.
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Interesting.
The State: Jim Clyburn knows who he’ll back in SC’s primary – and he’s under pressure to endorse
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'Operation chaos': How some conservatives are working to disrupt the South Carolina Democratic primary


Columbia, S.C. (CNN) Some conservatives in South Carolina want to disrupt the state's upcoming Democratic primary and inject chaos into the race for the nomination.

How? By getting Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary.

"You know I guess you could call it meddling," said Christopher Sullivan, one of the organizers of the Conservative Defense Fund in South Carolina. "I would love to see the Democrats -- whoever wins the South Carolina Democrat primary -- for everybody else to have accused him of having stolen the election because he was actually elected with Republican support and therefore prolonged the chaos and the disruption."

In South Carolina, Republicans aren't holding their own presidential primary this year. The state's open primary rules allow for eligible voters to cast ballots in the Democratic contest even if they are registered Republicans. That gives GOP voters a chance to play spoiler in the Democratic contest that is shaping up to be a do-or-die moment for former Vice President Joe Biden and his campaign.
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FiveThirtyEight: Who’s ahead in South Carolina?

Updating average for each Democratic candidate in 2020 primary polls, accounting for each poll’s quality, sample size and recency
Biden 24.8%
Sanders 18.0%
Steyer 10.1%
Bloomberg 10.0%
Buttigieg 7.9%
Warren 6.8%
Klobuchar 3.3%
Gabbard 1.8%
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Gee, they must not be watching much of MSNBC's evening programming. Klobuchar and/or Warren are on all the time lately. Pissed Mr. Filly off so much he's refusing to watch any longer.
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Biden's lead shrinks in South Carolina as Sanders climbs to second: poll

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s lead shrank in his firewall state of South Carolina, though he still holds an 8-point edge, according to an East Carolina University (ECU) poll released Friday.

Biden gets the support of 28 percent of likely South Carolina primary voters, followed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) with 20 percent and businessman Tom Steyer with 14 percent. No other candidate breaks double digits in the poll ahead of the Feb. 29 primary in the Palmetto State.

The poll comes as Biden leans on South Carolina to reverse his fortunes after fourth- and fifth-place showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, respectively, but his allies have started to fear the poor results could follow him there, too.

Biden’s support dropped 9 points since the last ECU poll, which was conducted right before Iowa’s caucuses. Meanwhile, Sanders, who garnered the most votes in each of the first two states, has surged in South Carolina from 14 percent earlier this month, surpassing Steyer for second place.
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FiveThirtyEight: Election Update: Biden Hasn’t Exactly Collapsed Since New Hampshire ...

On Friday, we also got our first South Carolina poll in more than a week, courtesy of East Carolina University. The Feb. 12-13 survey gave Biden 28 percent, Sanders 20 percent, Steyer 14 percent, Buttigieg 8 percent and Klobuchar and Warren 7 percent each. (Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg got 6 percent in the poll, but he is not on the ballot in South Carolina.) Compared with ECU’s previous South Carolina poll, which was conducted shortly before the Iowa caucuses, Biden fell 9 percentage points, and Steyer fell 5 points. Sanders rose 6 points, Klobuchar rose 5 points and Buttigieg rose 4 points.

Ever since he finished fourth in Iowa, Biden has no longer been the favorite in South Carolina, according to our model. Sanders currently has a 1 in 2 (47 percent) chance of winning South Carolina, while Biden has a 2 in 5 (37 percent) shot. However, part of the reason our model has Sanders as the favorite is that it thinks Biden could drop out before South Carolina even votes. In the scenarios where Biden is still in the race come Feb. 29, though, he is probably still favored in the Palmetto State.

The ECU poll in particular offered both good news and bad news for Biden: On one hand, he’s still leading in an important state after two disappointing finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire. And according to the poll’s crosstabs, Biden also still has a strong lead (16 points over Sanders) among African American voters, a crucial voting bloc that has sided with the eventual nominee in every Democratic primary since 1992. But on the other hand, the poll shows that Biden has dropped a meaningful amount in South Carolina since late January — and it wouldn’t take much more of a drop to put Sanders in the lead in our polling average (there are still two weeks until South Carolina votes, remember).
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Politico: Biden admits South Carolina may be make-or-break for campaign

But the former vice president says it is too early to count him out.
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Biden, Sanders tied for first place in South Carolina: poll

Former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) are running neck and neck in South Carolina, with billionaire activist Tom Steyer not far behind, according to a new poll released exclusively to The Hill.

The poll, conducted by Change Research for the Democratic group The Welcome Party, shows Biden and Sanders knotted at 23 percent support each in the Palmetto State. Meanwhile, Steyer is running in second place at 20 percent.

Only one other candidate, former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, registered in double digits in the poll, with 15 percent support.

The poll, which was fielded from Feb. 12-14 in the wake of the New Hampshire Democratic primary, suggests that Biden, the longtime front-runner in South Carolina, is losing ground in a state that he’s counting on to power his presidential bid into Super Tuesday and beyond.

It also suggests that both Sanders and Buttigieg have benefited from a burst of momentum following their respective victories in New Hampshire and Iowa. Sanders has gained 3 points in South Carolina since a Change Research poll in late January, while Buttigieg has gained 8 points.
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Poll: Biden's lead in South Carolina drops to 5 points

Joe Biden’s once-outsize lead in the South Carolina Democratic presidential primary has narrowed to 5 points, according to a new Winthrop University poll, a sign of rising trouble for the former vice president in a state that his campaign has long considered a political firewall.

The poll still shows Biden leading the pack with 24 percent support among likely South Carolina primary voters. But that represents a significant decrease from a similar Winthrop University poll from September that showed the former vice president with a 20-point advantage in the state.

The latest poll also shows a surge for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who has gained considerable momentum since notching top finishes in the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary earlier this month.

The progressive firebrand sits in second place with 19 percent support in South Carolina, up from 8 percent in the previous September survey.

Only one other candidate, billionaire activist Tom Steyer, registered double-digit support in the poll. He trails Sanders at 15 percent.

South Carolina, which holds its presidential primary Feb. 29, is the first state to vote in the nominating contest in which a majority of the Democratic electorate is black.
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The State: Winthrop Poll: Joe Biden still top pick of SC Democrats but challengers closing in
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CNN: Buttigieg hits Sanders by name over health care in new South Carolina TV ad

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Biden's South Carolina advantage shrinks among key voters ...

Almost 70 percent of African-American voters say they are comfortable/enthusiastic about Biden, while only 28 percent say they are uncomfortable or have reservations. That's a net positive of 41 points for Biden among those voters.

But not far behind Biden is Sanders. The Vermont senator's enthusiastic/comfortable number is 65 percent and his uncomfortable/reservations number is 30 percent – for net positive of 35 points for Sanders.

Those two candidates do much better with black voters than the rest of the field, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren who has a net positive of 11 points and former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, with a net positive of 1 point.

With South Carolina's primary looming on Saturday, those poll numbers take on a special significance. In 2016, 61 percent of the state's Democratic primary electorate was African-American.

It should be noted that all the Democratic potentials stand far above President Donald Trump with African-Americans. Only seven percent of those voters are comfortable with or enthusiastic about Trump, while 92 percent are uncomfortable with or have reservations about him. That's a net negative of 85 points. But Biden and Sanders look to be especially well-positioned for the South Carolina Democratic vote.
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I'll be in Charlotte all day on Saturday, at the meeting of the State Executive Committee of the NCDP. If I speak to any Bernie supporters, I'm going to ask them why Bernie is the first choice of Putin and Trump to be the Democratic nominee. And I'm not accepting any deflections or changing of the subject.

And I'll be AFK almost the entire day, but I will eventually share with you any good (or bad) answers I get.
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Foggy wrote:
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If I speak to any Bernie supporters, I'm going to ask them why Bernie is the first choice of Putin and Trump to be the Democratic nominee. And I'm not accepting any deflections or changing of the subject.
i may still vote for warren who is my heart’s favorite but if i vote for sanders here’s my answer

“putin wants sanders” is like “bin laden wants kerry”—whatever active measures the russians take against the election, the goal is to promote chaos. they will “support” any candidate—they will support every candidate—they will support both candidates. unless you have evidence that some candidate is collaborating w russians, the accusation that they are russian favorites is actually aiding the general chaos & distrust the russians favor
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OK, fair point as to Putin. What about Trump, who is openly campaigning for Bernie? :think:
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I'm going to add here, my wife thinks Bernie can beat Trump because all the people 18 to 45 years old will turn out to vote for him. But they might not turn out for the other geezers like Joe or Liz.
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I'm voting for and working for whoever is nom. But that doesn't mean that Bernie people should deny the Russian influence. In '16, some of his supporters were promoting Russian interference - well, they denied there was Russian interference. But they spread pizzagate conspiracy theories and Russian doctored videos that even Mueller mentioned in his report. And that continued through the HRC campaign and days after.

My hope is that Bernie, if he's the candidate, will speak out about disinformation and the corruption of our elections. Just complaining about the Washington Post statement isn't good enough. Yes, the Russians are creating chaos. So speak out loudly about it, don't blame a newspaper article.
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Foggy wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:38 pm
OK, fair point as to Putin. What about Trump, who is openly campaigning for Bernie? :think:
what about it? so trump says he wants to run against sanders—when have you taken trump’s word on anything? honestly both “putin loves sanders” & “trump loves sanders” are two of the most obvious ways to fuck with people. in the absence of anything like actual evidence of collaboration with either party, don’t let your enemies give you instructions
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Yeah well, the answer from my perception is, Bernie is the easiest candidate to beat.

The Russians believe that, and Trump believes that, and unfortunately, I agree.
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Of course that's the answer -- (for Dear Leader; Putin's reasons are more complex). It still doesn't make it true, under the "that's why we play the game" rule, previously most associated with baseball.

It's makes it a fear. Which is palpable. Which, it seems to me, is motivating many Dems (and ALL the freaked-out ex-Republican TV talking heads) to throw shade on Bernie. Not wholly unlike the Bernie Bros (cf Carville).

As someone who would be perfectly happy to back any of the top five (except Bloomberg) Dem candidates, and, furthermore, someone who thinks that a united front against Dear Leader is a god idea, it is not a good experience to see all the flak in the air.
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I suspect that the Republican Party is sponsoring the Democratic debates. Why the Dems keep doing this nonsense it beyond my comprehension.
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Foggy wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:03 am
Yeah well, the answer from my perception is, Bernie is the easiest candidate to beat.

The Russians believe that, and Trump believes that, and unfortunately, I agree.
*shrug*

the whole conversation keeps going in circles.

"i don't know if sanders can win," i say "but he's winning states and he has a hell of a ground game—his chances seem at least as good as any of the other top tier candidates."

"no he can't win," everyone else says.

"why not?"

"because he can't."

"why can't he?"

"because socialism. and because he's putin's favorite."

"putin doesn't have a favorite. he just wants to sow discord."

"no. favorite. because he can't win."

"but why can't he win?"

"because socialism. and because he's putin's favorite."
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ZekeB wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:38 am
I suspect that the Republican Party is sponsoring the Democratic debates. Why the Dems keep doing this nonsense it beyond my comprehension.
you've lost me completely at this point. i have no clue what your getting at.
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