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I watched the Rachael Maddow's interview with Parnas. I thought she did a good job. ...
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I watched the Rachael Maddow's interview with Parnas. I thought she did a good job. I was disappointed she didn't mention more what he is charged with doing. I suppose it was a precondition of the getting the interview not to go there. I like the way she broke it up into short segments with her giving background information in between. Parnas reminded me of a mid level mob figure even including his malapropisms like you expect from a movie mobster. He worked for a criminal gang so it's no surprise he would come across that way.
Yeah, Igor only came up once, mentioned by Lev in passing. I, like Mr. V., was surprised at how well spoken he was. The only malapropisms I noticed were "WhatsUP" instead of "WhatsApp" and "Sonderland" becoming "Sutherland." (My mother was not a native English speaker and I always found her mistakes hilarious). Lev is certainly no angel, as his legal history shows. But these are the guys who the former USA for the SDNY to do his dirty business with.
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Parnas' testimony implicating Barr, Pence and Trump personally was not supported by any documents and was somewhat weak and bereft of detail. Rudy Giuliani was his primary contact, so Giuliani would be the most important witness. Of course, Giuliani would have to be sober and telling the truth, so it is unlikely he would be of much help in sorting all of this out.

On the other hand, there's lots of direct evidence implicating Trump, so Parnas provides "color" but not much more.

John Bolton remains the most important witness after Trump himself. And after Parnas' testimony, it seems that Bolton was along on a trip or two to Ukraine, so he may have actually been involved despite the "drug deal." That being the case,. Bolton's testimony might blow up in the managers' faces. I wouldn't hold out much hope that Bolton is going to sink Trump.

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I’m just catching yo on this thread. I haven’t read all of these documents. Going back to the letter signed by Rudy, there are two sentences that make me think perhaps it wasn’t written by a native English speaker:

“Separate representation is usual process.”

“I have even had the privilege if being there most recently on 2017.”

I’m not saying he didn’t write it or didn’t sign it. It’s just strange is all.
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:24 am
:snippity:

John Bolton remains the most important witness after Trump himself. And after Parnas' testimony, it seems that Bolton was along on a trip or two to Ukraine, so he may have actually been involved despite the "drug deal." That being the case,. Bolton's testimony might blow up in the managers' faces. I wouldn't hold out much hope that Bolton is going to sink Trump.
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Anderson Cooper's interview is on tonight, his show is usually 5pm Pacific. CNN showing clips and more clips to get us all lathered up.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:24 am
Parnas' testimony implicating Barr, Pence and Trump personally was not supported by any documents and was somewhat weak and bereft of detail. Rudy Giuliani was his primary contact, so Giuliani would be the most important witness. Of course, Giuliani would have to be sober and telling the truth, so it is unlikely he would be of much help in sorting all of this out.

On the other hand, there's lots of direct evidence implicating Trump, so Parnas provides "color" but not much more.

John Bolton remains the most important witness after Trump himself. And after Parnas' testimony, it seems that Bolton was along on a trip or two to Ukraine, so he may have actually been involved despite the "drug deal." That being the case,. Bolton's testimony might blow up in the managers' faces. I wouldn't hold out much hope that Bolton is going to sink Trump.
I agree. I have been warning that Bolton is an unknown quantity on this issue. Also, too, it drives me nuts when the "drug deal" phrase gets misapplied. I heard Chris Hayes do this last night. Fiona Hill's testimony was that Bolton said "I don't want to be part of whatever drug deal Mulvaney and Sondland are cooking up." By all accounts Bolton, although evil, is a shrewd operator. He tried to keep himself at arm's length from a lot of this. He sent his underlings to John Eisenberg in the WH counsel's office. You never put a witness on without knowing what they will say (and you have to have prior statements, testimony and documents). I would not be at all surprised if Bolton goes along with an assertion of executive privilege about his interactions with the Dotard. And that's the information that would ultimately be needed.
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:28 am
I’m just catching yo on this thread. I haven’t read all of these documents. Going back to the letter signed by Rudy, there are two sentences that make me think perhaps it wasn’t written by a native English speaker:

“Separate representation is usual process.” Which is a LIE.

“I have even had the privilege if being there most recently on 2017.”Also a lie?

I’m not saying he didn’t write it or didn’t sign it. It’s just strange is all.
If you read through the voluminous texts of Rudy's, he makes these kind of grammatical mistakes frequently. I think a big part of that is that he (like Mr. Hyde) is drunk much of the time.
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I've always been very curious about why Lev ditched Dowd for Bondy. Clearly Dowd is the "mob lawyer" who was going to keep these characters quiet and in line. But Lev changed lawyers very quickly. How are these lawyers being paid?
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Thanks, Filly! I’m not all that familiar with Rudy’s writing style. Unfortunately, duty calls so I haven’t had time to slog through the documents.

But It doesn’t surprise me that he is both sloppy and untruthful.
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Maybenaut wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:04 am
Thanks, Filly! I’m not all that familiar with Rudy’s writing style. Unfortunately, duty calls so I haven’t had time to slog through the documents.

But It doesn’t surprise me that he is both sloppy and untruthful.
Yes, there's so much stuff to read! But Rudy's "mistakes" in his texts sort of jumped out at me. Mr. Former US Attorney for SDNY, "America's Mayor" :sick: , Bracewell & Guiliani, Giuliani Partners etc. People were apparently paying this guy ridiculous sums for his "expertise" but it was all about the influence and access. He obviously had minions who were doing all the work before, and now he's a crazy drunk old man on his own.
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Kendra wrote:
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https:// mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1217604212940394496
Eric Trump distances himself from Robert Hyde: “I have no idea who this guy is”
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RTH10260 wrote:
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Kendra wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:40 pm
https:// mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1217604212940394496
Eric Trump distances himself from Robert Hyde: “I have no idea who this guy is”
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FBI investigators went to the home and the business of Robert Hyde on Thursday. The agents were seen by CNN and confirmed by a law enforcement official. They were at the home early Thursday morning in Weatogue, CT before going to Hyde’s business in Avon, CT.

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Just a bit more about that-
FBI investigators went to the home and business of Connecticut congressional candidate Robert Hyde, who has been caught up in the scandal about efforts to remove US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch from Ukraine on Thursday.

The agents were seen by CNN and their presence was confirmed by a law enforcement official. They were at the home early Thursday morning in Weatogue, Connecticut, before going to Hyde's business in nearby Avon.

Hyde runs both his landscaping company and his campaign headquarters from the office. The investigators did not answer questions as to Hyde's whereabouts or why they wanted to speak with him. No other details were provided.

Text messages show Hyde was involved in efforts to surveil and remove Yovanovitch from her post in Kiev.
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TexasFilly wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:24 am
Reality Check wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:15 am
I watched the Rachael Maddow's interview with Parnas. I thought she did a good job. I was disappointed she didn't mention more what he is charged with doing. I suppose it was a precondition of the getting the interview not to go there. I like the way she broke it up into short segments with her giving background information in between. Parnas reminded me of a mid level mob figure even including his malapropisms like you expect from a movie mobster. He worked for a criminal gang so it's no surprise he would come across that way.
Yeah, Igor only came up once, mentioned by Lev in passing. I, like Mr. V., was surprised at how well spoken he was. The only malapropisms I noticed were "WhatsUP" instead of "WhatsApp" and "Sonderland" becoming "Sutherland." (My mother was not a native English speaker and I always found her mistakes hilarious). Lev is certainly no angel, as his legal history shows. But these are the guys who the former USA for the SDNY to do his dirty business with.
I found the interview riveting. Parnas came off as speaking the truth as he saw it, especially when he echoed Sonderland's "everybody knew" explanation. His astonishment at seeing Nunez's aid, who was his contact, sitting behind Nunez at the impeachment hearing was a highlight. As was his description of the bar at the Dear Leader hotel as a "breeding ground" for low-lifes like Hyde. The crime boss's anteroom (my words).

He didn't pretend to have documentation of Barr's, Nunez's, Pompeo's or Dear Leader's complicity (but he sure has it on Rudy), rather he was at meeting with Rudy and others when phone calls were made to DL. He dealt with the two Fox News lawyers, and took it as a given that they were hand in glove with Barr. He didn't believe anything Hyde said or that Yovanovic was in any danger from him.

Maddow did not show all they had of the interview. Part two is tonight.

My take-away was that Parnas's information is explosive. Someone on Twitter summarized it as "Yes, everything you suspected is true." It fits in completely with the witnesses at the Impeachment Hearing, and gives background on some things that seemed odd. For example, there was a flurry of backs and forths right before Zelensky's inauguration (?) about the Biden investigation announcement, and the decision to pull Pence's participation was a direct reaction to Zelensky stalling on the request. He expresses a lot of assumptions, but they are the assumptions anyone makes when they are at work--that your boss's manager knows what your boss's project is and approves.

Another point Parnas made that was powerful to me was to ask rhetorically, "Why would I be dealing with the Ukrainians if not for 45? Why would they talk to me if they didn't know I was representing 45?" He says it better than that.

I recommend that anyone interested in history in our times watch the interview.

I am left with the vision of every criminal in the country being drawn to bars in Dear Leader hotels like iron filings to a magnet. Getting this huge glimpse inside the ground level of a massive criminal enterprise is extraordinary.

And the Republican Party en masse allows this to happen.
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The Hill’s “review” sure is taking a long time. They are handling this like weasels. They really should be ashamed of themselves.
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TexasFilly wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:56 am
Maybenaut wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:28 am
I’m just catching yo on this thread. I haven’t read all of these documents. Going back to the letter signed by Rudy, there are two sentences that make me think perhaps it wasn’t written by a native English speaker:

“Separate representation is usual process.” Which is a LIE.

“I have even had the privilege if being there most recently on 2017.”Also a lie?

I’m not saying he didn’t write it or didn’t sign it. It’s just strange is all.
If you read through the voluminous texts of Rudy's, he makes these kind of grammatical mistakes frequently. I think a big part of that is that he (like Mr. Hyde) is drunk much of the time.
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I didn't see or hear anything we didn't already know, having been proven by other witnesses. It was just more confirmation.

Sondland was the most important witness and he is last decade's news.

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So the NYT and other outlets are reporting that the FBI has now paid a visit to looney Robert Hyde! SDNY has had these text messages since the fall! Does the FBI now only investigate potentially dangerous people if their texts are made public? WTF!!
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This question will probably roll eyes but I'm running around like a madwoman today, preparing to fly from unseasonably warm SWFL into an ice storm in KC at the crack of dawn tomorrow so here goes:

I had just climbed back into my car so I missed the beginning. On MSNBC, somebody (Nicole Wallace?) laughingly referenced something I'm assuming Parnas said on the Maddow interview, something about "when is he not drunk?" Where they talking about Parnas, Hyde or Giuliani?
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Slim Cognito wrote:
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This question will probably roll eyes but I'm running around like a madwoman today, preparing to fly from unseasonably warm SWFL into an ice storm in KC at the crack of dawn tomorrow so here goes:

I had just climbed back into my car so I missed the beginning. On MSNBC, somebody (Nicole Wallace?) laughingly referenced something I'm assuming Parnas said on the Maddow interview, something about "when is he not drunk?" Where they talking about Parnas, Hyde or Giuliani?
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TexasFilly wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:26 pm
So the NYT and other outlets are reporting that the FBI has now paid a visit to looney Robert Hyde! SDNY has had these text messages since the fall! Does the FBI now only investigate potentially dangerous people if their texts are made public? WTF!!
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