Trump's dementia accelerating?

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Post by ZekeB » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:30 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
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These don't work. It's a waste of time. Trump has been mentally deficient for years. He's not getting worse than he was on January 20, 2017.
I heard on the news this morning that the Republicans wanted Trump's state of mind to be included on the impeachment report. Are they openly admitting something? I'd love to see such a report if Trump is allowed to undergo an examination by a nonpartisan panel of psychiatrists.


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Post by voxpopuluxe » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:47 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:07 pm
Good points all, but think how much it pisses him off.
this is true & that’s of no small value i suppose but i’m skeptical that it’s of much further use. (except for providing the signatories w a feeling that they’ve done what they could)


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Re: Trump's dementia accelerating?

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Post by bob » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:13 pm

ZekeB wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:30 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:27 pm
These don't work. It's a waste of time. Trump has been mentally deficient for years. He's not getting worse than he was on January 20, 2017.
I heard on the news this morning that the Republicans wanted Trump's state of mind to be included on the impeachment report. Are they openly admitting something?
No; the opposite.

Many crimes require that the perpetrator have the specific intent to commit that crime, i.e, you can't accidentally walk into committing some bribery.

At most, they're conceding the current president is too stupid to solicit a bribe.


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Post by Azastan » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:38 pm

bob wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:13 pm

At most, they're conceding the current president is too stupid to solicit a bribe.
Sounds more as if they are suggesting that since he's always been a thug, that this is just how he operates and so there's nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I think that might lead to floodgates opening in the future, but when that's your only defense I suppose you have to run with that.



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Post by Suranis » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:06 pm

Its possible they are preparing an admission of senility to avoid a senate trial. I read somewhere that you can't be convicted if you claim senility, so they may be trying to short circuit possible investigations into the Republican party itself. *Trumps gone, all over back to normal please. Why are you bringing up Trump all the time???"


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Post by Foggy » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:43 am

Y'all are describing three wildly different arguments:

1) Too stupid to solicit a bribe - this sounds like M'Naughton: He's so dumb he doesn't understand the idea of trading money and access to the White House for fake Investigations of Bidens and interference with the 2016 election.

I think it's pretty clear he's not that far gone.

2) He's always been a thug; this is just how he operates.

That's not a defense, it's an admission that he's a career criminal.

3) Senility. Whatever that means.

I think it means he's sometimes lucid, other times not. That's not a defense to a crime, especially a crime committed over a period of months with several co-conspirators.

NONE of the above is a good defense to the charges of soliciting a bribe, obstruction of Congress, or obstruction of justice.

IMHO, of course. :-


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:38 am

:yeah:


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Post by Azastan » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:21 am

Foggy wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:43 am


2) He's always been a thug; this is just how he operates.

That's not a defense, it's an admission that he's a career criminal.


NONE of the above is a good defense to the charges of soliciting a bribe, obstruction of Congress, or obstruction of justice.
No, it's not a good defense, but it *does* appear to be what his supporters are arguing.



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