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RoadScholar wrote:
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A monkey could beat Trump at checkers.
There would be lots of screaming & feces flinging, and that might upset the monkey.
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Nice one.

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TakeAction Minnesota backs Sen. Bernie Sanders

The progressive group, a powerhouse in DFL politics, chooses the Vermont senator in Minnesota's presidential primary.


A powerful Minnesota progressive group has endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders in the state’s upcoming Democratic presidential primary.

TakeAction Minnesota announced its backing for the Vermont senator on Wednesday morning. It is the first time the group has endorsed a candidate for president.

“We are excited to build with a candidate who is already investing in our multiracial, working class movement to take on corporate power in our democracy and do politics better,” said Elianne Farhat, the group’s executive director. “Bernie’s politics are rooted in human dignity and justice.”

TakeAction is a nonprofit group that bills its work as community organizing, coalition building, policy research and development, public education and civic engagement. It has 6,000 dues-paying members, a mailing list of some 50,000 people, and a network of 20 institutional members that includes labor, social justice and other progressive groups.

“TakeAction Minnesota is driving progressive change across the state,” Sanders said in a statement provided by his campaign, citing the group’s work to guarantee health care for all and a living wage for workers. “We are proud to work together with this incredible organization as we build a diverse, working class movement to achieve economic, racial, social and environmental justice for every American.”

Home state Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and former HUD Secretary Julian Castro (who recently dropped from the race and endorsed Warren), also were considered for the TakeAction endorsement.

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It Piles Up, This Stuff in Our Way
On Monday, singer John Legend, a star by any measure, tweeted his choice for president to his 13.2 million followers:
"I'll be voting for Elizabeth Warren in the CA Democratic primary."
Whoo-boy. Soon after, Legend felt the need to add this:
"Some of you Bernie supporters do quite the disservice to your candidate, who seems to be a great human being. Try not to drive people away with your nastiness. I will happily vote for him if he wins the primary. Chill."


His follow-up tweet resonates for a lot of us who are enduring another round of Bernie Sanders supporters who mistakenly view his candidacy as their excuse to act like the mirror image of Donald Trump's extremists. This is not a good look, and it's a tired rerun from 2016.

This is where I insert the "not all" statement in an attempt to thin the herd avalanching toward me. Of course, not all of Sanders' supporters behave like this. I know a lot of his supporters who are thoughtful and respectful. If you're one of them, this isn't about you. Past experience compels me to add this: I struggle to understand how people can read something they swear doesn't describe them and yet react as if it did.
I've heard this bull before.

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I agree with that. Yesterday afternoon “#neverwarren” was trending on Twitter. Many Bernie Bros and Women and lots of suspected Russian bots. Then it stopped. Has Bernie ever told these people to knock it the fuck off? They are as nasty as Trump supporters.
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I second that Filly.

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After the debacle the other night I'm crossing Bernie and Warren off my list. They've created a lose-lose situation. If Warren gets the nomination, the Bernie supporters will not support the nominee. If Bernie gets the nomination, there goes the Warren supporters. We do not need this kind of dissention. Regardless of if Warren and Bernie kiss and make up after the nomination, their supporters will not. Didn't they learn anything from the 2016 election? Our country needs the abomination removed from the White House. The self-interests of those running for the nomination are of no concern to me.
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ZekeB wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:42 pm
After the debacle the other night I'm crossing Bernie and Warren off my list. They've created a lose-lose situation. If Warren gets the nomination, the Bernie supporters will not support the nominee. If Bernie gets the nomination, there goes the Warren supporters. We do not need this kind of dissention. Regardless of if Warren and Bernie kiss and make up after the nomination, their supporters will not. Didn't they learn anything from the 2016 election? Our country needs the abomination removed from the White House. The self-interests of those running for the nomination are of no concern to me.
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My mother says "they'd cut off their nose to spite their face." I guess I don't have that cutthroat attitude that a politician needs, but I'll never understand why a candidate needs to disparage someone from their own party. ESPECIALLY for this election! Just tell me your platform.

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His follow-up tweet resonates for a lot of us who are enduring another round of Bernie Sanders supporters who mistakenly view his candidacy as their excuse to act like the mirror image of Donald Trump's extremists.
It has been surprising and disheartening over the past couple of years to discover how many BernieBros on Twitter have such hostility/condescension towards women and minorities. That's what makes them reminiscent of MAGAts.

But as a cult of personality, Sanders and his Bros remind me most strongly of Lyndon LaRouche. He was another fringe gadfly who perennially ran as a Democrat, and whose devotees targeted Democratic and labor meetings to disrupt and co-opt with the goal of proselytizing about their leader LaRouche. They were otherwise completely disengaged from the Democratic party and its political efforts.

It was my personal history with local LaRouche loons that caused me to give Sanders the side-eye. I've been through this before. And frankly, those who put their faith in an individual over a political party/process are signalling their ignorance in how politics in a democracy works. Like the MAGAts, the BernieBros and the LaRouchites want a system where a strong man (theirs) gets to dictate policy. But not even Trump has been able to get everything his way. The BernieBros will be sadly disillusioned if/when Bernie becomes POTUS and then (like all of his predecessors) fails to fulfill the majority of his campaign promises. Because it's not a one-man show, you idjits.
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Before Hitler came to power in Germany, Leon Blum, the socialist who became President of France (on numerous occasions) said to his fellow socialists not to worry too much. "First Hitler, then us," he is reported to have said. Hitler would make such a mess of things the countries of Europe would welcome the socialists to straighten everything out.

It didn't work out for the world the way Blum thought. (Blum was a survivor. He lived through the Vichy government, which he refused to support, was sent to two concentration camps -- he was Jewish -- and escaped execution when the guards refused to murder him at the end of the war. The world was not so lucky.)

When I watch Senators Warren and Sanders fighting and articulating in great detail their mega trillion dollar plans, without confronting the horror that is Trump, I am reminded of Blum's naivete.

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I'm grateful for this discussion. TBH I haven't recovered from the nastiness I experienced when Sanders was done, and I said we had to pivot to Hillary to prevent Trump from being elected. Basically, I was told that we had to suffer Trump b/c it's Killary's fault and she'd be worse. And I was a Hillary c*** licker. Lost friends apparently forever. I still feel the loss. (I admit I always preferred and supported her, but appreciated the issues Sanders raised.)

After the CA primary, someone close to me who worked on the Sanders campaign immediately switched to organize support for Hillary, realizing the danger. He was threatened, doxxed, etc. for that, but did deliver in the state he worked. At the time, he thought his days as a field organizer were over from the hate that he endured, but it turns out that the BernieBros didn't have as much power as he thought. Thank religion entity of choice, he has continued to organize Dem field campaigns.

That's a dangerous crowd. Because I contributed to the Sanders campaign once, I got all the emails. Nina Turner in particular was vicious. But I also looked into Tad Devine, the highest paid consultant on that campaign. He worked on a lot of Dem campaigns, but also with Manafort as a media consultant for the 2010 presidential campaign of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. Supposedly, he stopped working for Yanukovych after his government's arrest of Yulia Tymoshenko in 2011.However, in 2014, he continued to negotiate with Manafort and Rick Gates to return as a consultant to the European Union political party in Ukraine. Something to think about....

I know what it's like to live in a country where basic income, housing, childcare, education and medical care are provided. It's a game changer. It changes everything we think about and we fight so hard to attain in the US. It was very hard for me to adjust living in a country where I didn't have to fear medical bills, being unemployed, losing my home, facing bankruptcy, etc. after growing up in the US. I tried to buy homeowners insurance in case someone sued me. It didn't exist.

There is a sense of freedom to pursue what is important to you without suffering economic consequences or fearing a health crisis.

Frankly, most people in the US don't understand and fear loss of the crumbs they receive, lagging well behind so many other countries.

I've posted before about the people I interact with daily who are well educated and informed who reject Warren and Sanders.They are freaked about having insurance and medical choice,and the costs, etc. I have to keep on telling them that you don't need expensive medical, homeowners and automobile insurance for medical costs b/c everyone has medical care. You don't have have worry about medical insurance limits and copays. You don't have to worry about any fucking thing except getting well.
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You can already feel the hardcore Sanders crowd getting ready to stay home in November if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, and then blaming "establishment Democrats" for the next four years of an even more unhinged Trump. As if the whole party is somehow obligated to cater to their desires - which is pretty rich coming from the people backing the guy who has never once actually put the word "Democrat" next to his name on the ballot. They want their glorious revolution, nothing less.

I mean, I guess I can't blame them, because I would have a hard time pulling the lever for Bernie and his coterie of utopian ideologues if he somehow is nominated. The obsessive desire to upend the existing establishment at any cost is always accompanied by a casual disregard for human life and dignity. Trump may be Louis XVI, but I'm still not voting for Maximilien Robespierre. Honestly, I consider myself a center-left type person, but I've never understood why one of the leading leftist publications in the United States (and one that Bernie Bros love so very much) would choose to name itself Jacobin as if the Committee of Public Safety was something of which to be proud.

I'm swiftly moving towards "anyone but Sanders."
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That's how I see it. :smoking:
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Yahoo News
Republicans boost Sanders in bid to revive discontent from 2016

President Trump and one of his top allies in Congress both have taken a particular interest in the political fortunes of a self-declared socialist in recent days.

Trump defended Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday evening from accusations that he said a woman could not win the presidency. ...

Trump isn’t alone in his defense of Sanders. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., expressed concern over the fact that Sanders, a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for president, will have to stay in Washington over the next few weeks for the Senate impeachment trial.

McCarthy speculated on “Fox News Sunday” that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., had delayed the impeachment trial explicitly to harm Sanders’s chances of winning the nomination. ...

It’s in the interests of McCarthy’s Republican Party to foment anger among Sanders’s supporters toward the Democratic Party establishment. And Trump’s defense of Sanders plays into that strategy as well.

Most Republicans also think Trump would easily defeat Sanders if the Vermont Democrat, who describes himself as a democratic socialist and has registered as an independent for much of his career, was the Democratic nominee.

After Trump took Sanders’s side in the spat with Warren, he told the crowd at his rally that he didn’t personally like Sanders, and found him to be a “nasty guy.”

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How Trump Is Spreading a Conspiracy Theory About Pelosi, Biden and Sanders

President Trump claims Nancy Pelosi has intentionally undermined Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign by delaying the impeachment trial. Mr. Sanders denounced that theory on Friday.


WASHINGTON — The first version of the conspiracy theory was hatched on Twitter last Friday, Jan. 10.

“Don’t rule out that the reason Pelosi hasn’t sent impeachment to the Senate is to hurt Warren and Sanders, and to help Biden,” Ari Fleischer, a former White House press secretary for President George W. Bush, tapped out on his iPad. “By timing the trial so it takes place during the Iowa lead-up, she has leverage over the liberals.” ...

Seven days later, Mr. Fleischer’s theory that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was attempting to influence the Democratic primary — for which there is no evidence — was being promulgated by President Trump. ...

An idea that caught fire on Twitter and became grist for Mr. Trump demonstrates how the same echo chamber of right-wing media that boosted him in 2016 is exerting its power again just before the first primary votes are cast in 2020.

There was nothing new in terms of the process that got the idea in front of Mr. Trump. But the evolution from online conspiracy theory to Fox News fodder to presidential talking point demonstrated how a world of conservative influencers, Republican lawmakers and online media outlets can drive disinformation through repetition and amplification. ...

In a statement on Friday, in response to a question from The New York Times about the president’s conspiracy tweet, Mr. Sanders denounced the theories. “Let’s be clear about who is rigging what: It is Donald Trump’s action to use the power of the federal government for his own political benefit that is the cause of the impeachment trial,” he said. “His transparent attempts to divide Democrats will not work, and we are going to unite to sweep him out of the White House in November.”
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Des Moines Register: Elizabeth Warren said she doesn't have 'anything else to say' on dispute with Bernie Sanders

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TexasFilly wrote:
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I agree with that. Yesterday afternoon “#neverwarren” was trending on Twitter. Many Bernie Bros and Women and lots of suspected Russian bots. Then it stopped. Has Bernie ever told these people to knock it the fuck off? They are as nasty as Trump supporters.
No. And that is part of the problem. in my opinion his behavior in 2016 largely poured gas on it.
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No worries, the Circular Firing Squad lives.

Hollywood Reporter
: Hillary Clinton in Full: A Fiery New Documentary, Trump Regrets and Harsh Words for Bernie: "Nobody Likes Him"
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The Guardian OpEd - Peter Daou with Leela Daou: I worked for Hillary Clinton. Her attacks on Bernie Sanders are a big mistake

Why is Clinton amplifying destructive myths about Sanders and his supporters just weeks before the primaries begin?
Newsweek: #ILikeBernie Trends After Hillary Clinton Says 'Nobody Likes' Bernie Sanders
Politico: Sanders campaign privately urges restraint after Clinton attack ...

After Clinton’s comments, Sanders stayed above the fray when peppered with questions from reporters and sought to use humor to move on.

“On a good day, my wife likes me,” he said.

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ABC News
Bernie Sanders apologizes for negative Joe Biden op-ed penned by surrogate

"I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared," Sanders said.


Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has apologized after a prominent surrogate published a negative op-ed about Sanders' 2020 rival former Vice President Joe Biden.

Author Zephyr Teachout penned the op-ed in the Guardian, which claimed "Joe Biden Has a Big Corruption Problem." The op-ed included sharp attacks of Biden's candidacy. ...

”It is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared," Sanders said Monday
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The Hill: Sanders responds to Clinton comments: 'My focus today is on a monumental moment in American history'

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bernie sanders is like one of those bands who you'd like a lot better if it wasn't for some of their fans

(but, shit, clinton's 2008 fans were legendarily bad ...)

that said, to my mind, anand giridharadas' new time profile of sanders is one of the fairest, best i've read. i have my own reservations about sanders as a candidate—concerns largely surrounding his age, his health, and his tendencies toward a leftism that "doesn't see color"—but despite that, i happily voted for him in '16 and i may yet decide that his candidacy is a last, best hope in '20.

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I remember quite differently. The Bernie Bros online nastiness was as bad as the Trumpers. Hillary probably should have stayed out of this, but you reach a certain age where you just don't give a fuck any more.
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my mention of clinton had in mind the pumas of 2008, who still seem to me to mark a high-water mark of toxic presidential fans, and yet, fans who i gave little thought to when i voted for clinton in '16. i don't at all endorse any of sanders toxic fans. it's a stupid, self-destructive way for anyone to campaign for a candidate they favor.

that said, i keep in mind a couple of things A) on the internet, at least, it's difficult to determine how many of those "toxic fans" are really representitive of the candidate—and how many are acting specifically to stir up animosity. i try to keep an eye on the candidate and distinguish them from their fans. B) ultimately i'm voting for the candidate, not the fans and unless the candidate is actually inciting and encouraging the worst of their fans, i'm content to tell myself that lots of fans are shitty and to try to focus on the candidate and not the fandom.

anyway, i'm not trying to have an argument on this. reasonable people can disagree. merely explaining my own rules of thumb.
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and i do recommend the giridharadas piece. i think it's very good.
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