Florida Florida Florida! 2018 Recounts - NRSC & Scott v. Snipes 17th Circuit FL

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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:05 pm

This isn't going away and it affects 6 races that may be recounted, it's wild. South Florida is where the action is right now and Broward and Miami Dade are our two huge blue counties. North Florida votes like south Alabama or Mississippi, it's the I-4 corridor (near Disney World, in the center of the state) that usually is the decider. Looks like there's lots of provisional ballots (we had friends purged from the rolls and had to go to the DOE but got it fixed, if you just show up and there's an issue you have to cast a provisional then prove your identity by 5pm today). Now Steve Kornacki is reporting there may be a voting machine issue (Marc Elias is the top D lawyer, he was Hillary's attorney during the campaign, the GOP will love this). Anyway, there are tons of stories but they are broader than just Governor and Senator (AG and other offices look like recounts too) so here's a place for it. Wouldn't it be sweet if any flip! :lol:





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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:08 pm

Kornacki is on it! Lots on his feed: https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki

Marc Caputo is Florida's veteran POLITICO reporter: https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo

Steve Schale was President Obama's data director in 2008 and 2012: https://twitter.com/steveschale

There is a lot going on right now! Updates to follow...

New story from Marc just filed:


Florida readies for massive recount
The Senate race will be recounted, and the governor’s race could be close behind.
By MATT DIXON and MARC CAPUTO
11/08/2018 12:48 PM EST
Updated 11/08/2018 04:08 PM EST

TALLAHASSEE –– Election officials, campaign operatives and lawyers across Florida are gearing up for massive recounts in large part due to a familiar problem: Broward County, which has been saddled with election controversies ever since the disputed 2000 presidential race. All eyes are on that problematic South Florida county – Florida’s second largest and one of its most Democratic – as it lags nearly every other in the state in reporting ballot tallies. The county’s results could help decide the races for U.S. Senate, governor and agriculture commissioner, which are headed for recounts.
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On Wednesday alone, 22,000 new Broward votes were tallied, narrowing the margins further in Democrats’ favor in the races. And, thanks to Broward, the gubernatorial race on Thursday afternoon hit the threshold for a recount and Democrat Nikki Fried took the lead over Rep. Matt Caldwell in the agriculture commissioner race by a mere 583 votes. With so much riding on the nation’s largest swing state – a U.S. Senate seat, a Florida Cabinet seat and perhaps a gubernatorial recount -- Broward’s supervisor of elections, Brenda Snipes, won’t or can’t say how many ballots there are left to count.

Sen. Marco Rubio, a Republican, issued a string of tweets Thursday that detailed the numerous controversies that have embroiled Snipes’ office over the years and, without evidence, suggested that Democrats want to manipulate the vote results. “Now democrat lawyers are descending on #Florida. They have been very clear they aren’t here to make sure every vote is counted. - They are here to change the results of election; & - #Broward is where they plan to do it,” he said on Twitter. “A U.S. Senate seat & a statewide cabinet officer are now potentially in the hands of an elections supervisor with a history of incompetence & of blatant violations of state & federal laws,” he wrote, adding that Snipes “has opened the door for lawyers to come here & try to steal a seat in the U.S. Senate & Florida Cabinet.”

Lawyers from both political parties and the campaigns of Scott, Nelson and agriculture commissioner candidates Caldwell and Fried are already being drafted for the recount fight, and Broward is looking like ground zero for that battle. Marc Elias, the lawyer leading Nelson’s recount effort, said he had no idea how many ballots were left to be counted in Broward. “I think you would have to ask them [Broward County,” Elias said. “I don’t know. They are still counting in Broward County.”

Another problem with Broward: about 24,000 more people voted for governor than for U.S. Senate – even though the Senate race was at the top of the ballot and top-of-the-ballot races usually rack up the most votes. More Broward voters cast ballots in the state’s agriculture commissioner, chief financial officer and attorney general races as well – a phenomenon seen in none of the other 66 counties. Elections experts suspect that poor ballot design may have contributed to Broward undervoting the Senate race in such large numbers. Elias, however, said Nelson isn’t challenging ballot design. Instead, he said Nelson’s team believes that the optical-scan machines didn’t pick up poorly marked ballots. If the ballots are re-scanned, Elias believes the chances of the votes being recorded increases.

In a Thursday morning conference call, Elias told reporters that because the problems are focused largely on Broward County, and to some extent Palm Beach County – both Democratic strongholds – Nelson will continue to eat into Scott’s lead, and it will be a “jump ball” as far as who is winning when the recount officially begins on Saturday. One reason Broward is still uploading ballots is due to its sheer size. It has about 1.2 million registered voters and received 16,855 vote-by-mail absentee ballots on Election Day, 7,600 of them the day before and had to handle a crush of voters. Before the absentee ballots can be tallied, Florida law ensures that Florida elections officials in each county review voter signatures on the ballots to make sure they match a signature on file.

“You want to make sure these ballots are legitimate so there’s no voter fraud. It takes time,” said Daniel A. Smith, a University of Florida political science professor who estimated that 125,000 absentee ballots were received statewide on Election Day alone. In Broward, 52 percent of the ballots were cast by Democrats, Smith said. Still, the largest county in Florida, Miami-Dade, finished all of its uploading and tallying of absentee ballots on Wednesday, according to a spokeswoman for the local elections office. All counties are now reviewing provisional ballots, cast when a voter’s eligibility is in dispute. The deadline for voters to prove their provisional ballot should count is at 5 p.m. Thursday.
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In talking to reporters, Nelson’s lawyer, Elias, stopped short of criticizing Snipes and instead focused on the recount ahead. Elias said he is not sure if Nelson will be ahead of Scott, but he predicts things will tighten further before the process officially beings. He has been the lead attorney on dozens of post-election disputes and told reporters sometimes he tells clients that the race might be close, but they still likely will not win. “That is not the conversation I’ve had with Sen. Nelson,” Elias said, expressing his confidence in a forthcoming Nelson victory.

At this point, Elias said the campaign thinks there was a large undervote in Broward County, or voters casting ballots that indicated they voted in other races but not the Senate race. As evidence, he points to the fact that nearly 14,000 more people in Broward County voted in the attorney general’s race than U.S. Senate race. The U.S. Senate race was a much more high-profile race, with candidates known statewide and tons more advertising, which makes fewer people voting in that race notable. “That, frankly, is not plausible,” Elias said.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... unt-975805

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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:20 pm

As Miki Booth would say, we must be over the target! :lol: Rona and Little Marco whine about counting the votes.





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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:53 pm

The GOP is going nuts and using the attack strategy, they are scared to death. Amazing. Hey Little Marco -- Snipes was appointed elections supervisor in 2003 by then-Gov. Jeb Bush.

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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:22 pm

Lawsuits! Red Tide Rick is suing to find out how many ballots are left in Broward (and Palm Beach) Counties. Rick is crying on Sean Hannity right now.

8:10 — The National Review, a conservative publication, just posted this lawsuit. Rick Scott and the National Republican Senatorial Committee appear to be suing the Broward County Supervisor of Elections over ballot counting. Scott says there is a "lack of transparency" that "raises concerns" and Scott is demanding access to public records.

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Recount Live Blog: Gov. Rick Scott is suing South Florida election officials as his Senate lead shrinks
The Republican Senate candidate is holding a late-night press conference as the state is headed for an unprecedented three recounts.

9:05 — Scott is also suing Palm Beach County. Here's the lawsuit.

9:00 — Rick Scott filed suit against Broward County Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes over the county's delay in completing its count of the votes from the midterm election. Scott sued as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, not in his capacity as governor of Florida.

Scott followed up by lashing out at Snipes in an extraordinary press conference at the Governor's Mansion on Thursday night.

Broward County lags the rest of the state in completing the first, crucial phases of counting ballots from Tuesday's midterm election. As of 8 p.m. Thursday, the same time the governor summoned reporters to the mansion, Broward County was the only one of the state's 67 counties that had not reported to the state that it had completed its tabulation of early votes. Early voting ended Sunday in Broward.

Read the full recap of Scott's press conference here.

8:55 — Republican House Speaker-designate Jose R. Oliva today released the following statement:

" I fully support and commend the Governor for directing FDLE to investigate. The power of the vote is only as strong as the trust in the count. With each new ballot 'found' that trust erodes."
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politi ... ht-at-815/

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Post by Azastan » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:42 pm

Orlylicious wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:22 pm

(is anybody interested in this topic?)
I am. I'm wondering why Florida seems to have such problems figuring out how to set up a ballot.



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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:03 pm

Azastan wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:42 pm
Orlylicious wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:22 pm

(is anybody interested in this topic?)
I am. I'm wondering why Florida seems to have such problems figuring out how to set up a ballot.
Well, it's in 3 languages and this year had 12 constitutional questions plus tons of judges and local. There's a lot of requirements. With all the voter suppression, there's a lot more provisionals this year. And at the end things caught fire, over 707,000 votes with 1.1 million registered voters. Keep in mind the preliminary counts are not due until Saturday at noon... funny how the GOP is forgetting she's completely within the deadlines. Let's see the proof of your fraud claims, Rick, why didn't you include any? Clown.

Since they are just lying on Fox News, keep in mind Snipes is an elected offical, she was reelected in 2016 (though originally appointed by Jeb! in 2003).

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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:54 pm

The alt right is coming to Fort Lauderdale to hold people "accountabile", might be more effective if they can spell it. Can they exceed a birther protest?
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Replying to @AndrewPollackFL @Esteban15120999
MAGA patriots from DC are coming to Fla to hold Broward Elected officials accountabile. @Ali is organizing. Pls everyone who is in Broward follow him and wait for instructions. Peaceful protests to let them know they can’t steal our election!! #STOPTHESTEAL
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Post by Turtle » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:00 pm

Stop the Steal was something used by Roger Stone the week of the 2016 RNC when they thought there were enough Trump delegates who would vote for Cruz after the first ballot. He threatened to post the hotel room numbers of the delegates.



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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:33 pm

Excellent memory Turtle, you're exactly right and reckon Roger's slimy prints are all over this, remember Stone lives in Fort Lauderdale (Broward County). Bonus question: Do you remember who the attorney was for Roger and StealTheVote?
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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:48 pm

And yup, Roger Stone is behind all this.




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Post by Turtle » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:59 pm

Stone was also involved in the 2000 recount where the protesters broke in (AKA were let in) to stand outside the room where they were doing one of the recounts. This after using Trump to destroy Buchanan and the Reform Party.



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Post by Orlylicious » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:12 am

It's a shame Roger Stone might be in jail and miss part of the recount :lol: #MuellerTime



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They are bigger fools then I thought if they think they can take Marc Elias on, good luck with that.



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Post by Mikedunford » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:13 am

Is there something I'm missing? Because it looks to me like whatever happens the Broward elections supervisor should probably be fired, possibly from a cannon. My presumption is that there's just a lot of poor procedures and general incompetence going on, but the look created is definitely poor.

And forgetting a ballot box - used, unused, empty, full, whatever - is the kind of incompetence that should *not* be possible. That should be an accountable item that is verified as present and signed for at every single step of its journey. Its absence should have been noted at each of several different points along the way.

I mean, this is someone who is specifically elected to be the Elections Supervisor. We're in literal "you had one job" territory here.


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Post by Kendra » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:56 am


Law Enforcement is looking into another big corruption scandal having to do with Election Fraud in #Broward and Palm Beach. Florida voted for Rick Scott!

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Post by Kendra » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:19 am

Fox and Friends had Geraldo on to discuss the FL voting issue. Hosts were all over trying to stir up the evil Dem shenanigans in voting process, but he didn't bite, much to their chagrin.

I don't know I pop in to watch this show, but curious enough to see what they're reporting. You would never know there was a mass shooting yesterday.



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Post by Suranis » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:12 am

hey, look whose jumped in on this too, yep its the nun of Putin. Because Rick Scott is so friendly to green politics.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/ ... 5354506240
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With Florida heading for a recount with Governor & Senate seats at stake, media needs to investigate suspicious activity in Broward County. @Tim_Canova raising alarm about suspect handling of ballots in county where Election Supervisor admitted destroying 2016 ballots illegally.Dr. Jill Stein 🌻 added,


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Signs that something’s rotten in Broward:
-still counting votes 3 days after the election
-46K votes found day after election
-people caught on tape loading ballots into rented truck
-election supervisor destroyed @Tim_Canova vs Wasserman-Schultz 2016 ballots against court order

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Tim Canova ran 2x against Wasserman Schultz, who was caught rigging DNC primary against Bernie. Broward elections supervisor was caught destroying ballots from 1st Canova-DWS race after court order to preserve ballots. Need to investigate if DWS & co. robbed progressives again.

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Post by Kendra » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:25 am

Matt Schlapp (sp?) was on Fox this morning just ranting about how corrupt and crooked these two counties and their voting systems are (was glad for once the alarm went off and work beckoned and I could shut him up by closing the laptop).

:?: for the Floridians here, is this really corruption going on here, or just plain incompetence?



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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:06 am

Well, Orly is the expert, but we had a huge ballot this time, 10 pages, 13 initiatives, judges, political offices, and election officials begged us to vote absentee to avoid long lines. Broward County is a big county population-wise more voters than some states have people, and it's dark blue. Plus voting response was huge. The way I figure it, the dems don't have to cheat to win in Broward, but Scott does. Stopping the vote count will only help him and hurt dems.

As for the over/under counts. It's possible it's bad ballot design, but it's also possible a scanner was malfunctioning and not counting all the options. It's possible the scanner malfunctioned because of bad ballot design, but not as likely. A hand count would be the best option, but that would deprive Americans of their demand for instant gratification.

They're also still counting ballots in AZ and CA. FL ballots aren't due until 1 pm tomorrow, so I think it's a lot of red hens squawking around the henhouse.


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Post by kate520 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:22 am

I mean, this is someone who is specifically elected to be the Elections Supervisor. We're in literal "you had one job" territory here.
Mike, considering that she was Scott’s pick, one might think that was the reason. Florida has been f’d up by Republicans for decades. Scott wants to keep it that way.,


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Post by kate520 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:35 am

CA uses the ink-a-vote system. We got two more voting booths that usual this year and an extra baggie of pens. Good thing, too, cuz they’re notoriously finicky. Well, who wouldn’t be after being handled by hundreds of strangers :lol: They’re attached to the ballot holder by a chain and every time it’s used, it’s twisted every which way. Eventually the top is so loose that the springs demand freedom and pop out.

We were vigilante about keeping them working after two, not being used, popped open almost simultaneously and startled the voters next to them. Also keeping them well-inked.

Our county registrar is doing a good job. We had far fewer registration issues this year than when I’ve worked in the past, other than people forgetting they had checked the VBM box when they registered. If they don’t bring the ballots they were mailed and surrender them, to vote in person they must vote provisionally. The county is doing a good job of enfranchising those who are eligible.


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Post by NMgirl » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:41 am

I'm not defending the election officials in Florida, because I know nothing about how things work in Florida. However, as an election official for decades, I am going to say something about general denigration of election officials:

It is a fucking hard, thankless task to oversee elections or even just be a volunteer election judge. In a big election (i.e., most presidential election years, but occasionally mid-terms as well). It was usual for me to work 24 hours straight and one year I worked thirty. It isn't just a matter of simply counting votes. Several bits of paper have to be verified, reconciled, usually by at least two judges, of different parties. If all the counts don't tally, you start over. And over and over again. Obnoxious write-ins, such as for Donald Duck or whatever, have to be counted and reconciled, and there are often many of these. Absentee ballots are scrutinized with the greatest of care; you don't just feed them into a counting machine. I could go on and on, but I won't, because then I would be :crying: :violin:


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