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Post by RoadScholar » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:26 pm

Most unfortunate and so counter-productive, the overlap between Anti-Fascists and Anarchists.

Anarchism is permanently idiotic.


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:27 pm


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Announcement 30 seconds ago by DC police:

Attention, Attention.
The Kessler Group has left the District of Columbia.

At 5:18 pm.


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Volkonski wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:27 pm

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Announcement 30 seconds ago by DC police:

Attention, Attention.
The Kessler Group has left the District of Columbia.

At 5:18 pm.
If that's the case that was very fast



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Post by RVInit » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:34 pm

Antifa is making themselves look bad...and super stupid. Kessler will be able to point his fingers and "prove" it was "them" all along.


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:38 pm


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With the rain and dispersal orders people do seem to be leaving. Saw a group of maybe 10 black-clad protesters heading off

4:36 PM - 12 Aug 2018


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:55 pm


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There's an interesting narrative about #UniteTheRight2/#ShutItDownDC taking shape on 4chan/Twitter. It appears to be an attempt to explain why so few people for Jason Kessler's hate rally, and it looks like this...

("It's a setup orchestrated by antifa" is the general idea).

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They think it's suspicious that antifascists actually, you know, organized ahead of #UniteTheRight2. And they're using that as "evidence" that the whole thing was a setup by antifa.


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Post by HisMexcellence » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:23 pm

MPD handled this pretty well. Kept everyone really far from Kessler and co. Made Black Block think they were coming out Pennsylvania, and went up to H instead. Anti-fa was EVERYWHERE. Not sure why they looked bad. They were just chanting. It's Black Block that was itching for a fight, which is exactly what they do.



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Post by kate520 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:30 pm

Sir, can you explain the diff? Black Block is part of or separate from anti-fa?


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Post by HisMexcellence » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:05 pm

kate520 wrote:
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Sir, can you explain the diff? Black Block is part of or separate from anti-fa?
Black Block is a small subsection that's actively looking for trouble, come prepared for a fight (there were a few "medics" with them). It's the most extremist group.

Anti-fa is most everyone else. There are some formalized Anti-fa chapters, but as a group it's very vague, since it's really anyone who is anti-facist.



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Post by Bill_G » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:24 pm

kate520 wrote:
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Sir, can you explain the diff? Black Block is part of or separate from anti-fa?
ANTIFA is a loose aggregation of liked minded groups that do not coordinate their protest activities. There is no central ANTIFA leadership though some individuals do stand out in various cities where these groups have formed. They do not have a unified platform or funding source, but they seem to have a singular anti-government sentiment, and attempt to stand in opposition to many government activities.

Black Bloc is the most militant of ANTIFA groups. They mimic riot police clothing (hence the name), and bring homemade versions of riot tactical gear (shields, chem spray, batons), ostensibly to protect protesters from a police riot. Since little is known about the members, their training, and their backgrounds, their ability to fulfill this task is unquantifiable. While they do successfully form a phalanx on one street or another at the beginning of a counter protest, it crumbles when the police pull their full effort into it. However, BB members seems quite adept at disappearing in the melee avoiding arrest.



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Post by HST's Ghost » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:30 pm

Black Blocs go way back to the '80s and kinda came into prominence as it were with the Seattle WTO protests in 1999. Radical left and anarchist mishmash but anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, anti-globalization, and with an original purpose of defending against the police in demos that morphed into pro-active property destruction, especially at Seattle. I haven't really followed the evolution of "Antifa" but I feel it is just another name for Black Blocs that has come to prominence because it is more "marketable" especially in these days and times. Antifa punches Nazis!

Thanks for all the updates on this. That Kessler guy is so sketchy, makes it very easy to believe he is some nefarious double-agent when in reality he is just a bit sick in the head...


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Post by vic » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:37 pm

Volkonski wrote:
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I didn't know there was an Albert Einstein Memorial in DC. :-D
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Coincidentally, I only learned about it a few days ago. A friend is visiting DC with his children, and he posted a couple of pics of them at the Einstein Memorial on Facebook.



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Post by Plutodog » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:27 pm

I suppose I'm the last one to notice royally robust Charles E Lincoln III was a speaker at the racist rally today. Seen him on C-Span replay.
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:o no, I must be.


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Plutodog wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:27 pm
I suppose I'm the last one to notice royally robust Charles E Lincoln III was a speaker at the racist rally today. Seen him on C-Span replay.
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USA Today: 'Not in my town': Counterprotesters outnumber Unite the Right 2 white nationalists in DC:
Those watching the speeches carried American flags and White Lives Matter signs. Speakers addressed alleged civil rights abuses, including “interracial rape of white women” and attacks on white people in South Africa. Others spoke more generally about free speech and being American, arguing any white person who loves their country counts as a white nationalist.

Charles Edward Lincoln, the second speaker, slammed the “power elite” that is “trying to destroy everything that’s good about the United States of America.”

But his words were nearly drowned out by the cries of counterprotesters.


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Post by kate520 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:54 am

Thanks for the answers, all. I do remember the WTO protests. Funny how those guys are dangerous anarchists but the Proud Boys et al doing the same damn things are patriots to the core. :roll:


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Post by Plutodog » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:49 am

bob wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:50 pm
Plutodog wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:27 pm
I suppose I'm the last one to notice royally robust Charles E Lincoln III was a speaker at the racist rally today. Seen him on C-Span replay.
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USA Today: 'Not in my town': Counterprotesters outnumber Unite the Right 2 white nationalists in DC:

Charles Edward Lincoln, the second speaker, slammed the “power elite” that is “trying to destroy everything that’s good about the United States of America.”

But his words were nearly drowned out by the cries of counterprotesters.
The video I watched, Link was called up to speak after Kessler, apparently because other speakers weren't there, assembled, ready to go. Link went into the usual stuff, tried to make his disbarment status a badge of honor, droned on for a while and was just telling the crowd about his most recent case currently stuck in thus and such district court when he stopped, said he was being told to shut up. Kessler then came back on and introduced another speaker, I believe his co-founder. Poor Charlie was not a crowd pleaser, apparently. Some might find that video satisfying.


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Post by Chilidog » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:06 am

He should have told the crowd about how he banged Orly in a dentist chair.



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Post by RoadScholar » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:04 am

The Proud Boys are anarchists as well.


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Link? Chucky? Holy shit... :doh: :cry: :crying:
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This is America in a nutshell today: A minority of racists marching arrogantly, waving our flag as if it belongs only to them, with all the power of the state deployed to guard and protect them from the majority of citizens.

**

Further commentary indicate that the Nazis were given their own train and train station to enable them to get to their demonstration unimpeded by protesters.

Too, also, the Charlottesville Democratic Socialists of America solidarity statement is significant for leaving out the primary target of Nazis in its description of those affected by them:
We must recognize that while the events of Summer 2017 were eye-opening for many, the fight against white supremacy here in Charlottesville has been taking place for decades. This fight has been led by those who are most affected by fascism and white supremacy -- people of color, the LGBTQ community, native peoples, disabled people, and people in working or lower income classes.
Gosh...what group of people have always been the primary target of Nazis? Care to guess why they're conspicuously absent from the DSA's manifesto? (Ten cents says the word "Palestine" has something to do with it.) :x :x :x



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DejaMoo wrote:
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@Wilder_Advance
Replying to @FordFischer
This is America in a nutshell today: A minority of racists marching arrogantly, waving our flag as if it belongs only to them, with all the power of the state deployed to guard and protect them from the majority of citizens.

**

Further commentary indicate that the Nazis were given their own train and train station to enable them to get to their demonstration unimpeded by protesters.

Too, also, the Charlottesville Democratic Socialists of America solidarity statement is significant for leaving out the primary target of Nazis in its description of those affected by them:
We must recognize that while the events of Summer 2017 were eye-opening for many, the fight against white supremacy here in Charlottesville has been taking place for decades. This fight has been led by those who are most affected by fascism and white supremacy -- people of color, the LGBTQ community, native peoples, disabled people, and people in working or lower income classes.
Gosh...what group of people have always been the primary target of Nazis? Care to guess why they're conspicuously absent from the DSA's manifesto? (Ten cents says the word "Palestine" has something to do with it.) :x :x :x
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