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Post by RTH10260 » Tue May 08, 2018 11:38 am

Did we miss this Friday Fake News item?
Trump Is Said to Have Known of Payment to Stormy Daniels Months Before He Denied It

By Michael D. Shear, Maggie Haberman, Jim Rutenberg and Matt Apuzzo
May 4, 2018

WASHINGTON — President Trump knew about a six-figure payment that Michael D. Cohen, his personal lawyer, made to a pornographic film actress several months before he denied any knowledge of it to reporters aboard Air Force One in April, according to two people familiar with the arrangement.

How much Mr. Trump knew about the payment to Stephanie Clifford, the actress, and who else was aware of it have been at the center of a swirling controversy for the past 48 hours touched off by a television interview with Rudolph W. Giuliani, a new addition to the president’s legal team. The interview was the first time a lawyer for the president had acknowledged that Mr. Trump had reimbursed Mr. Cohen for the payments to Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels.

It was not immediately clear when Mr. Trump learned of the payment, which Mr. Cohen made in October 2016, at a time when news media outlets were poised to pay her for her story about an alleged affair with Mr. Trump in 2006. But three people close to the matter said that Mr. Trump knew that Mr. Cohen had succeeded in keeping the allegations from becoming public at the time the president denied it.


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Post by Fortinbras » Wed May 09, 2018 10:26 pm

Today I heard a rumor/report that Stormy's lawyer's law firm was getting substantial amounts of money from an unnamed "Russian oligarch" (there must be some Russian-English dictionary that uses this as a synonym for mobster). This was voiced to suggest that somehow the whole thing - from the election to the Stormy Daniels fuss was being stage managed by Putin. But this report did not identify the "oligarch" and there are very definitely Russian mobsters at swords' points with Putin.

It is possible that one group of Russian Maffiyah is willing to subsidize the American litigation and investigation that exposes and impairs the operations of another group of Russian Maffiyah.

And, after nearly a full day, I have not seen this rumor repeated by any legitimate news service.



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Post by fierceredpanda » Thu May 10, 2018 8:37 am

Fortinbras wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:26 pm
Today I heard a rumor/report that Stormy's lawyer's law firm was getting substantial amounts of money from an unnamed "Russian oligarch" (there must be some Russian-English dictionary that uses this as a synonym for mobster). This was voiced to suggest that somehow the whole thing - from the election to the Stormy Daniels fuss was being stage managed by Putin. But this report did not identify the "oligarch" and there are very definitely Russian mobsters at swords' points with Putin.

It is possible that one group of Russian Maffiyah is willing to subsidize the American litigation and investigation that exposes and impairs the operations of another group of Russian Maffiyah.

And, after nearly a full day, I have not seen this rumor repeated by any legitimate news service.
Bear in mind also that there are Russian oligarchs who have found themselves out of Putin's good graces for whatever reason. Mikhail Khordokovsky comes immediately to mind. He's been imprisoned by Putin previously, and is now exiled in - if memory serves - Switzerland, and travels with a considerable security detail. Khordokovsky has been a financial backer of Russian opposition parties for some time - he's worth about half a billion or so, but was worth vastly more than that before he was locked up on specious charges (basically he didn't render unto Caesar sufficiently). So let's just be clear that "oligarch" is not necessarily synonymous with "Putin ally."


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Post by Carl von Ossietsky » Thu May 10, 2018 11:13 am

fierceredpanda wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 8:37 am
Fortinbras wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:26 pm
Today I heard a rumor/report that Stormy's lawyer's law firm was getting substantial amounts of money from an unnamed "Russian oligarch" (there must be some Russian-English dictionary that uses this as a synonym for mobster). This was voiced to suggest that somehow the whole thing - from the election to the Stormy Daniels fuss was being stage managed by Putin. But this report did not identify the "oligarch" and there are very definitely Russian mobsters at swords' points with Putin.

It is possible that one group of Russian Maffiyah is willing to subsidize the American litigation and investigation that exposes and impairs the operations of another group of Russian Maffiyah.

And, after nearly a full day, I have not seen this rumor repeated by any legitimate news service.
Bear in mind also that there are Russian oligarchs who have found themselves out of Putin's good graces for whatever reason. Mikhail Khordokovsky comes immediately to mind. He's been imprisoned by Putin previously, and is now exiled in - if memory serves - Switzerland, and travels with a considerable security detail. Khordokovsky has been a financial backer of Russian opposition parties for some time - he's worth about half a billion or so, but was worth vastly more than that before he was locked up on specious charges (basically he didn't render undo Caesar sufficiently). So let's just be clear that "oligarch" is not necessarily synonymous with "Putin ally."
But it rhymes with "Thug who became immensely rich by fleecing the assets of the USSR ".


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Post by TexasFilly » Thu May 10, 2018 11:24 am

Fortinbras wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 10:26 pm
Today I heard a rumor/report that Stormy's lawyer's law firm was getting substantial amounts of money from an unnamed "Russian oligarch" (there must be some Russian-English dictionary that uses this as a synonym for mobster). This was voiced to suggest that somehow the whole thing - from the election to the Stormy Daniels fuss was being stage managed by Putin. But this report did not identify the "oligarch" and there are very definitely Russian mobsters at swords' points with Putin.

It is possible that one group of Russian Maffiyah is willing to subsidize the American litigation and investigation that exposes and impairs the operations of another group of Russian Maffiyah.

And, after nearly a full day, I have not seen this rumor repeated by any legitimate news service.
Maybe before you throw this out there, you might at least remember where you heard this BS.


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Post by Fortinbras » Thu May 10, 2018 11:27 am

fierceredpanda wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 8:37 am
So let's just be clear that "oligarch" is not necessarily synonymous with "Putin ally."
That was my point, except I can't say simple things simply.

Has anyone else seen this rumor of an "oligarch" involved in some way with Daniel's litigation??



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Post by SLQ » Thu May 10, 2018 11:48 am

Fortinbras wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:27 am
fierceredpanda wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 8:37 am
So let's just be clear that "oligarch" is not necessarily synonymous with "Putin ally."
That was my point, except I can't say simple things simply.

Has anyone else seen this rumor of an "oligarch" involved in some way with Daniel's litigation??
Where did you see/hear it?



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Post by Res Ipsa » Thu May 10, 2018 12:57 pm

Haven't heard that one. But if you want to play "Glenn Beck's chalkboard", this is a more productive route:

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/lemans24 ... then-some/

GB Autosport team principal Michael Avenatti has vowed to return to the 24 Hours of Le Mans after making a memorable debut in the French endurance classic last weekend.

Avenatti, who teamed with Kuba Giermaziak and Abdulaziz Al Faisal in the No. 66 JMW Motorsport Ferrari F458 Italia, overcame adversity to record a 7th place finish in the competitive GTE-Am class.


That's Prince Abdulaziz among friends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulaziz ... ki_Al_Saud


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Post by Fortinbras » Thu May 10, 2018 1:52 pm

I thought I had seem this rumor on a screen crawl on MSNBC, but now I wonder if I misread it.
So far the closest I can find is an open question of who is paying Daniels's lawyer: http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/38 ... l-avenatti

There are, on the other hand, several reports that the hush money paid by Cohen to Daniels originated not with Trump but with "Russian oligarchs" - not Putin himself and possibly not even friends of Putin. It is as if all the scandals that are or were concealed from us were visible years ago behind the Iron Curtain and different parties there implanted metaphorical time bombs to embarrass Putin and Trump months and years later. Obviously, they, and everyone else, are much cleverer than I.



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Post by RoadScholar » Thu May 10, 2018 2:02 pm

Other elements aside, I really enjoy Avenatti's feisty writing style.


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Post by Res Ipsa » Wed May 23, 2018 11:42 pm

This just in....

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 0.54.0.pdf

Daniels is to file a request for reconsideration of the order staying the case tomorrow, and Cohen is to reply on June 1.

Bold prediction: The motion to request reconsideration is going to have a number of extraneous shiny objects.


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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Thu May 24, 2018 2:21 am

Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:42 pm
The motion to request reconsideration is going to have a number of extraneous shiny objects.
That adroit, attorney Avenatti is going to bait David Dennison into reading skimming having someone Fox and Friends tell him what's in the motion? :mrgreen:



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Post by Reality Check » Thu May 24, 2018 11:09 am

Avenatti just posted the motion for reconsideration in part of the stay in the case:
Motion for Reconsideration.pdf
I like the way he used Giuliani's and Trump's statements against Cohen.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu May 24, 2018 11:17 am

Avenatti previously said the first cause of action was intertwined with the second and required Cohen’s testimony. What changed? Avenatti is not getting enough publicity. The occasional key to the city ceremony and changing the privacy settings on his Twitter account only kept him in the news cycle for one day.



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Post by Reality Check » Thu May 24, 2018 11:23 am

It looks like Avenatti the assistant who wrote the motion finally figured out how to remove identifying information when exporting to PDF in Word.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu May 24, 2018 11:30 am

No. That’s defense counsel.



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Post by Reality Check » Thu May 24, 2018 12:01 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
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No. That’s defense counsel.
I thought some of Avenatti's documents had a different author. My mistake.


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Post by SuzieC » Fri May 25, 2018 9:40 am

https://www.popehat.com/2018/05/24/anal ... e-theater/

As usual Popehat has an incisive analysis of Avenatti's motion for reconsideration.



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Post by Reality Check » Fri May 25, 2018 9:54 am

SuzieC wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 9:40 am
https://www.popehat.com/2018/05/24/anal ... e-theater/

As usual Popehat has an incisive analysis of Avenatti's motion for reconsideration.
Thanks, that is an excellent article. :clap:

From a comment on the article:
Docket 55:
Michael Cohen (Mr. Cohen) and Donald J. Trump (collectively, Defendants) shall have until 4:00 p.m. on Friday, June 1, 2018, to file their opposition to the Motion.Plaintiff shall have until 4:00 p.m. on Thursday, June 7, 2018 to file her reply insupport of the Motion. The hearing on the Motion shall be set for Thursday, June 21, 2018, at 1:30 p.m. The parties are advised that due to potential conflicts with the Courts calendar the hearing may be advanced to an earlier day that same week.


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Post by Res Ipsa » Fri May 25, 2018 12:57 pm

I take a less optimistic view than Ken White on this one.

"Rudy Giuliani said a bunch of stuff on TV" doesn't seem all that meaty.

The case is stayed to mid-July, and there is some compelling reason to partially lift the stay in late June?


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