Re: New York State Investigations of Trump and Related
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:41 pm
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I am pretty sure Fitton is well aware of GIL's GJ videos seeing as suing Fitton is a full time job for GIL.orlylicious wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:38 pm Gregg, another awesome post.![]()
HRC says Fox News is getting close to "actual malice", which of course means Tom Fitton says she's "threatening" them. Should we send him some GIL grand slam jury videos?
Yeah, maybe, but I wouldn't bet that dissolution is in the cards. Section 1101 of New York's Business Corporation Law provides in part:
It's very, very rare for the Attorney General to dissolve a corporation under this statute. It's not enough to show that a company has violated some laws and done some frauds, or even lots of frauds. I believe that Section 1101's use has been limited to businesses that are entirely a scam; fronts for drug-dealing; consumer frauds, and the like.(a) The attorney-general may bring an action for the dissolution of a corporation upon one or more of the following grounds:
(1) That the corporation procured its formation through fraudulent misrepresentation or concealment of a material fact.
(2) That the corporation has exceeded the authority conferred upon it by law, or has violated any provision of law whereby it has forfeited its charter, or carried on, conducted or transacted its business in a persistently fraudulent or illegal manner, or by the abuse of its powers contrary to the public policy of the state has become liable to be dissolved.
A good analysis. Only one thing wrong with it. For Trump to "settle at all costs" the AG has to be willing to settle. If they're willing to settle, which is obviously a possibility, with all the time and effort they have put into this case, it would have to be a whopping offer from Trump, and perhaps with more than just monetary offers.Gregg wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:18 pm I have been bouncing this around with someone else.
Trump absolutely, positively must settle this case at all costs. This case, more than anything else in any forum right now is the case that can bring him down. From a civil point of view, she can shut his shop up for good, and force a liquidation that would certainly leave him penniless. No way in hell does he cover the debt on what he has if he has to sell under duress. Besides, that, if he goes to trial, win or lose, everything the NYAG has will be entered into the record for every prosecutor and class action lawyer in America to dig through like a pile of asbestos ridden hernia patches with Roundup Weed killer and some tax evasion, bank fraud and who knows what else. As if the legal fees he is paying now won't bankrupt him eventually, they're an appetizer to what he could be paying in a year or two.
How much has he spent to keep his tax returns private? The day this goes to trial I'll be able to search and indexed version of them online, and more.
Nope, Tish has him by the balls, its just not obvious yet that she has him with a set of vice grips.
Besides, that, if he goes to trial, win or lose, everything the NYAG has will be entered into the record
I think that, in part, that will depend on how well Trump-endorsed candidates do in the 2022 elections. If most of them win, and especially if that helps the QOP retake the House and/or the Senate, then the money will continue to flow in TFG's direction. If, on the other hand, his selected toadies do poorly, his stranglehold on the party will diminish, and along with it, the RNC's willingness to continue the tribute they are currently paying him.
Well, he only has 14 days to get a stay. Is that likely to happen?Foggy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:34 pm Yeah, and that's a possibility. I think it would be a safer bet that they will appeal all the way to the US Supreme Court, which one would hope would be procedurally difficult and unlikely, but where Trump still believes, rightly or wrongly, that he has what every crook wants - - an uneven playing field.
I would be surprised if all the NY appellate courts ruled against him (and in favor of the depositions), and he DIDN'T ask for a stay so Nefertiti or whatever his name is can tell Justice Thomas all about how very outrageous this is.![]()
I'm surprised the Judge included the comment about the campaign promise. Given how much it sounded like the Trump team was trying to argue that the prosecution was improper because it is political - as evidenced by the AGs campaign promises - it seems odd that the Judge would point that out.Volkonski wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:49 pm Judge Refuses to Quash Subpoenas and Depositions for Donald Trump and His Children: It Would Be a ‘Blatant Dereliction of Duty’ Not to Investigate
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ju ... vestigate/
A Manhattan judge refused to quash civil subpoenas and depositions for former President Donald Trump and his children in a blistering ruling on Thursday], writing that it would have been “blatant dereliction of duty” not to investigate them.
“For OAG not to have investigated the original respondents, and not to have subpoenaed the new Trump respondents, would have been a blatant dereliction of duty (and would have broken an oft repeated campaign promise). Indeed, the impetus for the investigation was not personal animus, not racial or ethnic or other discrimination, not campaign promises, but was sworn congressional testimony by former Trump associate Michael Cohen that respondents were ‘cooking the books,'” Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron wrote in a 8-page ruling.
Trump and his children Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. have 21 days from the date of his order to sit for a deposition, Engoron ruled.
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I was thinking the same thing. (Good points, all, Gregg!) tRump would have to assess what he will keep after any putative settlement. I assume that he would want to ditch as much debt as possible if he relinquishes control of many of his properties. Perhaps he would retain some lesser properties that might provide some sort of positive cash flow without the onerous debt service.realist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:46 pmA good analysis. Only one thing wrong with it. For Trump to "settle at all costs" the AG has to be willing to settle. If they're willing to settle, which is obviously a possibility, with all the time and effort they have put into this case, it would have to be a whopping offer from Trump, and perhaps with more than just monetary offers.Gregg wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:18 pm I have been bouncing this around with someone else.
Trump absolutely, positively must settle this case at all costs. This case, more than anything else in any forum right now is the case that can bring him down. From a civil point of view, she can shut his shop up for good, and force a liquidation that would certainly leave him penniless. No way in hell does he cover the debt on what he has if he has to sell under duress. Besides, that, if he goes to trial, win or lose, everything the NYAG has will be entered into the record for every prosecutor and class action lawyer in America to dig through like a pile of asbestos ridden hernia patches with Roundup Weed killer and some tax evasion, bank fraud and who knows what else. As if the legal fees he is paying now won't bankrupt him eventually, they're an appetizer to what he could be paying in a year or two.
How much has he spent to keep his tax returns private? The day this goes to trial I'll be able to search and indexed version of them online, and more.
Nope, Tish has him by the balls, its just not obvious yet that she has him with a set of vice grips.
I believe the judge's intent was to stress private citizen Jones made the statement. You can't claim the prosecutor was biased if the prosecutor wasn't yet the prosecutor.Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:22 pmI'm surprised the Judge included the comment about the campaign promise. Given how much it sounded like the Trump team was trying to argue that the prosecution was improper because it is political - as evidenced by the AGs campaign promises - it seems odd that the Judge would point.
I watch a lot of late night TV.
Is JJ Walker in there?Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:30 pmI watch a lot of late night TV.