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Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 8:24 pm
by neonzx
Kendra wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 3:46 pm
NEW: US Justice Dept has notified attorneys for Jan 6 defendant Michael Lopatic of Pennsylvania that it has compiled 19 pages of medical records of an injured DC police officer

Lopatic is accused of "pummeling" officer, throwing uppercut punches, assaulting officer in the head
Wow. Is this dude being held in custody pending trial?

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:09 pm
by fierceredpanda
Just want to mention that 19 pages of medical records isn't as big a deal as people think. I handled a fairly routine substantial battery case a few years ago where the victim was examined for head injuries at the ER, and the medical records I got in discovery were at least 20 pages if not more.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:48 am
by sugar magnolia
fierceredpanda wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:09 pm Just want to mention that 19 pages of medical records isn't as big a deal as people think. I handled a fairly routine substantial battery case a few years ago where the victim was examined for head injuries at the ER, and the medical records I got in discovery were at least 20 pages if not more.
I was thinking the same thing. We had to request medical records for the kids 2 different times for relatively minor incidents and they were both easily 19 pages long. Aidan's medical records after the attack, on the other hand, were about a foot thick from the ER alone.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:47 am
by Slim Cognito
fierceredpanda wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:09 pm Just want to mention that 19 pages of medical records isn't as big a deal as people think. I handled a fairly routine substantial battery case a few years ago where the victim was examined for head injuries at the ER, and the medical records I got in discovery were at least 20 pages if not more.
As a retired medical transcriptionist, I agree. It's probably a 2 pg H&P plus (mostly) radiology test results which usually are short and sweet. also, consults. But if the results show trauma secondary to battery, it'll do.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:12 pm
by AndyinPA
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
The longterm girlfriend of late Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died following the Jan. 6 riot, says that the GOP senators who blocked the creation of a commission to investigate the insurrection have effectively spat in Sicknick's face.

In an interview with "CBS This Morning" released on Tuesday, Sicknick's partner Sandra Garza and his mother Gladys Sicknick, both of whom had lobbied lawmakers personally for the commission's creation, said the senators who voted it down had disrespected his memory.

"I'm disgusted that the Republican senators, that decided to vote no. It's a spit in the face to Brian, it's a spit in the face to all the officers that were there that day," Garza said.

She said that she and Sicknick were previous backers of then-President Trump, whose supporters stormed the Capitol in effort to block the certification of President Biden's Electoral College victory, but both Garza and Sicknick's mother now cast blame on Trump.

"He knew that Brian was devoted to him, and he did not once reach out to me, to Gladys, he didn't even send a letter of condolences. He did absolutely nothing. And so, you know, it's very upsetting, you know, that he's not - and I would meet with him, actually. I would. I would meet with him," Garza said.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:03 am
by Volkonski
:roll:


Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews
Same attorney tells me plea negotiations are going to be a huge challenge, because some of the Jan 6 defendants in the DC jail think Trump is going save them ....
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Defense lawyer handling some Jan 6 cases tells me a few defendants in DC jail have formed the most uninformed "jailhouse lawyers group" you can imagine

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am
by fierceredpanda
Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:25 am
by bill_g
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I can assure you that is not limited to your work.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:42 am
by northland10
bill_g wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:25 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I can assure you that is not limited to your work.
Monday Morning organists.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:53 am
by Maybenaut
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I imagine some of these people will likely fire their attorneys and exercise their Sixth Amendment right to self-representation. Good for them, I say.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:23 am
by AndyinPA
I guess those defendants don't feel duped yet? :roll:

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:28 am
by noblepa
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
Well, Trump is going to be restored to the presidency in August, isn't he?

I'm sure that his first order of business will be to pardon all the Jan. 6 insurrectionists.

Its a sure thing, so why should they take a plea deal?

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:52 am
by bill_g
noblepa wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:28 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
Well, Trump is going to be restored to the presidency in August, isn't he?

I'm sure that his first order of business will be to pardon all the Jan. 6 insurrectionists.

Its a sure thing, so why should they take a plea deal?
Someone needs to tell them that Easter has come and gone already this year, and their savior ain't named Jesus.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:20 am
by Kendra

ALERT: We have a 2nd plea agreement in US Capitol Insurrection investigation

Paul Hodgkins is the man accused of having the Trump flag in the well of the US Senate

2 plea deals out of 460 defendants

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:28 pm
by Kendra

!!! WHOA

The filing just submitted in the Jan 6 prosecution of Ryan Samsel of Pennsylvania might be the most striking, horrific and brutal accusations I've read so far in *any* of these 460+ cases.

(THREAD)
Sounds like a very fine person /sarcasm

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:15 pm
by johnpcapitalist
northland10 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:42 am
bill_g wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:25 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I can assure you that is not limited to your work.
Monday Morning organists.
How right you are. Every Monday morning, my parents at the breakfast table would dissect the music for the previous day's service. "Boy, she really went soft on those glissandos on the bass pedals during the recessional," my father would say. My mother would usually concur, and then go on to complain about how she never opened up all the stops for the trumpet voluntaries. "With playing like that, the Rev might as well have stuck with the old electric Wurlitzer instead of raising all that money for a real pipe organ." Yep, that's a real problem all right.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:24 pm
by raison de arizona
neonzx wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 8:24 pm
Kendra wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 3:46 pm
NEW: US Justice Dept has notified attorneys for Jan 6 defendant Michael Lopatic of Pennsylvania that it has compiled 19 pages of medical records of an injured DC police officer

Lopatic is accused of "pummeling" officer, throwing uppercut punches, assaulting officer in the head
Wow. Is this dude being held in custody pending trial?
Nope, he was released.
:snippity:
Lopatic specifically is accused of ripping off one of the officer's helmet and gas mask, stealing his cellphone--breaking his body camera, an essential piece of evidence-- and hitting him with an uppercut, according to prosecutors statements.
:snippity:
The prosecutors argued that Lopatic should be kept in custody because he possesses a risk of obstructing justice.

Judge Sullivan stated that prosecutors had conceded that he was not accused of “a crime of violence as defined under bail laws”, and went on to say “nor is the former Marine a flight risk”.

“The Court is also very troubled by two obstructive acts Mr. Lopatic undertook — stealing and then discarding an MPD officer's body worn camera,” Sullivan wrote.

But then he went on to say, “those actions were not indicators for obstruction of justice.”

The destruction of the body camera has been deemed relevant to the case, but the Judge states that the government failed to prove that Lopatic destroyed or concealed other evidence.

Lopatic’s attorney, Dennis Boyle, was surprised at the judge’s decision to release him Monday, instead of having a hearing, reports LNP.

Boyle spoke with Lopatic on Monday and told LNP he "was doing well and happy to be with his family.”

Lopatic must comply with release conditions which include surrendering any guns, taking medication and staying away from other defendants.

He faces a maximum penalty of 21 years and 6 months in prison and more than $1 million in fines, according to court records.

Judge Sullivan scheduled a status hearing for Lopatic's case on May 5
https://dailyvoice.com/pennsylvania/lan ... ed/808092/

Will have to see what has happened since then...

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:09 pm
by Kendra

"Zip-tie guy" Eric Munchel and his mom now face more than twice as many charges in connection with the U.S. Capitol siege.

The first had three counts.

This has eight, including carrying a deadly weapon (a Taser) into the Capitol.

Story soon. Background: https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-sie ... riot-case/

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:11 pm
by Kendra
https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-sie ... -congress/
Federal prosecutors more than doubled the charges against so-called “Zip-Tie Guy” Eric Munchel and his mother Lisa Marie Eisenhart in a superseding indictment filed on Wednesday, charging them with eight counts, including carrying a deadly or dangerous weapon into the U.S. Capitol.

That weapon was a Taser, prosecutors say.
Latest document is at the link.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:34 am
by Uninformed


He claims his monthly expenses total 4,800 dollars.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:37 am
by keith
bill_g wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:25 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I can assure you that is not limited to your work.
Well, I had to call an electrician to fix a circuit I "broke" when I installed a wall outlet with four power points an a couple of USB charger points. When I turned the master breaker back on the circuit I was working on wouldn't work. I checked everything and came to the conclusion that the circuit breaker had died. Told this all to the electrician and he said no, circuit breakers don't fail. So he spent 3 hours tracing everything on the circuit befor giving up and swapping out the circuit breaker. Boy was he sheepish when he handed me the bill. That said, I am glad he eliminated every thing else possible of course.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:41 am
by keith
Maybenaut wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:53 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I imagine some of these people will likely fire their attorneys and exercise their Sixth Amendment right to self-representation. Good for them, I say.
Will there be a fringe on the courtroom flag?

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:19 am
by noblepa
keith wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:41 am
Maybenaut wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:53 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:14 am Oof, I feel that. It's no fun being someone's attorney when the client thinks they know more about the law then you do, so why do they need your advice?
I imagine some of these people will likely fire their attorneys and exercise their Sixth Amendment right to self-representation. Good for them, I say.
Will there be a fringe on the courtroom flag?
I hope that the first judge to preside over the trial of one of these traitors has enough of a sense of humor to get about a dozen gold-fringed flags for the courtroom.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:23 am
by Dave from down under
And speak with a BBC accent

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:25 am
by Slim Cognito
Or show up in a white wig.