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raison de arizona wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:42 am
Clerk to Habba:

"Counselor, when the judge speaks, you need to stop speaking."
"9-1-1, what's your emergency?"

"I'd like to report a murder..."
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northland10 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:46 pm
filly wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:44 pm I won the Betty Crocker award in high school and was class President.
But have you stayed in a Holiday Inn?
I have

and I watch Sling TV as well (not really)
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Why do I picture trumps lawyer screaming " You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order!"
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p0rtia wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:31 pmThe google shows that she is a frequent guest talking head on NewsMax.
Her big "break" was being hired to sue NYT, Mary, etc. Was she on NewsMax before then?

But even if she started appearing on NewsMax only after was hired to sue the NYT, it would appear she honed her rhetorical style there.
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Chilidog wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:59 pm Why do I picture trumps lawyer screaming " You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order!"
That's pretty much what Alina Habba's MO was. She made several "How can you do this!" barks at the judge. Her messagge was "This whole case is unconstitutional." The judge repeatedly asked her to explain why, but her answers fizzled.
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Throw the books at him: Trump’s business fortune begins to unravel

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny- ... story.html
We know all this because state Attorney General Tish James, in gamely pursuing a civil case against The Trump Organization and trying to convince the judge to order the testimony of Donald, Don Jr. and Ivanka, submitted Mazars’ Feb. 9 kiss-off letter to Trump to the court docket — and public view.

It would be really nice if the public also got to see the suspect records that Mazars has repudiated, particularly Trump’s secret tax returns. James must have them, as does Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, since Trump lost his effort before the U.S. Supreme Court to withhold the files. The financial documents could be evidence, which would all come out in a future legal action. Longtime Trump financial shenanigans chronicler David Cay Johnston predicts that Bragg’s grand jury is eventually going to indict Trump for racketeering. Sounds like a good fit.
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Volkonski wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:32 pm Throw the books at him: Trump’s business fortune begins to unravel

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny- ... story.html
We know all this because state Attorney General Tish James, in gamely pursuing a civil case against The Trump Organization and trying to convince the judge to order the testimony of Donald, Don Jr. and Ivanka, submitted Mazars’ Feb. 9 kiss-off letter to Trump to the court docket — and public view.

It would be really nice if the public also got to see the suspect records that Mazars has repudiated, particularly Trump’s secret tax returns. James must have them, as does Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, since Trump lost his effort before the U.S. Supreme Court to withhold the files. The financial documents could be evidence, which would all come out in a future legal action. Longtime Trump financial shenanigans chronicler David Cay Johnston predicts that Bragg’s grand jury is eventually going to indict Trump for racketeering. Sounds like a good fit.
I don't remember anything about Mazars repudiating any of the Trump Organization's tax returns. Did I miss something?

That would be quite serious, I think.
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much ado wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:53 pm
Volkonski wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:32 pm Throw the books at him: Trump’s business fortune begins to unravel

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny- ... story.html
We know all this because state Attorney General Tish James, in gamely pursuing a civil case against The Trump Organization and trying to convince the judge to order the testimony of Donald, Don Jr. and Ivanka, submitted Mazars’ Feb. 9 kiss-off letter to Trump to the court docket — and public view.

It would be really nice if the public also got to see the suspect records that Mazars has repudiated, particularly Trump’s secret tax returns. James must have them, as does Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, since Trump lost his effort before the U.S. Supreme Court to withhold the files. The financial documents could be evidence, which would all come out in a future legal action. Longtime Trump financial shenanigans chronicler David Cay Johnston predicts that Bragg’s grand jury is eventually going to indict Trump for racketeering. Sounds like a good fit.
I don't remember anything about Mazars repudiating any of the Trump Organization's tax returns. Did I miss something?

That would be quite serious, I think.
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Thanks raison!

The letter does not actually repudiate prior year tax returns, but it does cast a pall on their accuracy. Hmmmm.
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The SOL for bank fraud in NY is 10 years.
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filly wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:43 am
p0rtia wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:34 am
p0rtia wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:28 am Password not working on the link for me. :shrug:
Got in on a different link:

http://wowza.nycourts.gov/VirtualCourt/ ... t-nysupcv1

Password works (7349)
Glad you got there. I am in on the link. It's all good.
Yes it is. And thanks for posting about the live hearing. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I adore this stuff (and this one was, I thought, a doozy) and like to catch them when possible.
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20 minutes to go? :waiting:
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p0rtia wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:37 pm
filly wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:43 am
p0rtia wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:34 am

Got in on a different link:

http://wowza.nycourts.gov/VirtualCourt/ ... t-nysupcv1

Password works (7349)
Glad you got there. I am in on the link. It's all good.
Yes it is. And thanks for posting about the live hearing. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I adore this stuff (and this one was, I thought, a doozy) and like to catch them when possible.
Bravo and thank you to wonderful p0tia and filly. :clap: :dance:

I have reflected briefly on what was mentioned, I and am thinking of what is really being asked (IANAL). They are arguing that Trump is in the protected class called "won't shut the fuck up" so they are trying to use that to keep him away from any direct questioning. They are afraid that if he sits for a depo, instead of running to the 5th as the judge suggested, he will end up incriminating himself all over the floor.

They want the court to protect Trump from Trump.
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northland10 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:50 pm I have reflected briefly on what was mentioned, I and am thinking of what is really being asked (IANAL). They are arguing that Trump is in the protected class called "won't shut the fuck up" so they are trying to use that to keep him away from any direct questioning. They are afraid that if he sits for a depo, instead of running to the 5th as the judge suggested, he will end up incriminating himself all over the floor.

They want the court to protect Trump from Trump.
He's welcome to take the 5th 500 times like Eric did.

Or he can blab.

Whatever.

He's a grown up, his gun, his foot, his mouth.
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After the hearing,
@MichaelCohen212
called me to respond to this:

"Habba's mischaracterization of me as 'discredited' reeks of desperation. Trump's financial impropriety may be an allegation but very soon will be a reality. Numbers don't lie. People do."
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BREAKING:

A Manhattan judge DENIES a motion to quash subpoenas and depositions against Donald Trump and his children.
Shouldn't be a surprise, but these are strange times.
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BREAKING:

A Manhattan judge DENIES a motion to quash subpoenas and depositions against Donald Trump and his children.

Story soon,
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ICYMI, from this morning's hearing: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/do ... ostpopular
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Jinx ;)
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northland10 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:50 pm
I have reflected briefly on what was mentioned, I and am thinking of what is really being asked (IANAL). They are arguing that Trump is in the protected class called "won't shut the fuck up" so they are trying to use that to keep him away from any direct questioning. They are afraid that if he sits for a depo, instead of running to the 5th as the judge suggested, he will end up incriminating himself all over the floor.

They want the court to protect Trump from Trump.
I didn't catch that, but in a sense they were arguing something similar to that: that he would have to talk because there would be horror on the part of the press if he took the fifth, so he couldn't --which was a violation of his 1A rights. Too also, James is a meany. And actually all we really want to do is to bluster and delay. (IANALE)
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I'm putting the over/under at 10 for number of times he perjures himself during the depostion.
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Uhoh... That feeling's coming over me again...

Heh. Heh. Heh. Heh.
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Kendra wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:08 pm
BREAKING:

A Manhattan judge DENIES a motion to quash subpoenas and depositions against Donald Trump and his children.

Story soon,
@LawCrimeNews
.

ICYMI, from this morning's hearing: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/do ... ostpopular
Cool, and not surprising, having watched the hearing. Of note is the fact that the judge has basically adopted the AG's suggested schedule for depositions.
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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:24 pm I'm putting the over/under at 10 for number of times he perjures himself during the depostion.
You have a much higher opinion of tfg than I. :liar:
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During the hearing this morning they were talking about needing time to file an appeal, so I imagine that will be the next step for Trump’s lawyers.
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