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Dave from down under wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:48 am German pronunciation of Extreme Wires

Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:42 am

bob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:20 pm ultra vires

What does this mean?

a. A declaratory judgment that the Meadows Subpoena and the Verizon Subpoena are ultra vires, unlawful, and unenforceable;

Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:42 am

bob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:20 pm ultra vires

What does this mean?

Eight days before the Jan. 6 rally in Washington, a little-known Trump donor living thousands of miles away in the Tuscan countryside quietly wired a total of $650,000 to three organizations that helped stage and promote the event.

The lack of fanfare was typical of Julie Fancelli, the 72-year-old daughter of the founder of the Publix grocery store chain. Even as she has given millions to charity through a family foundation, Fancelli has lived a private life, splitting time between her homes in Florida and Italy, and doting on her grandchildren, according to family members and friends.

Now, Fancelli is facing public scrutiny as the House committee investigating the insurrection seeks to expose the financing for the rally that preceded the riot at the U.S. Capitol. Fancelli is the largest publicly known donor to the rally, support that some concerned relatives and others attributed to her enthusiasm for conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

bob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:41 am

Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:42 am

bob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:20 pm ultra vires

What does this mean?

Ultra vires is Latin for "beyond (the powers)," meaning an unauthorized -- and therefore unenforceable -- act.

It is when a legal organization attempts to act beyond its granted powers (like a traffic court convicting you of counterfeiting), as opposed to something with no legal authority (say, a citizens grand jury) attempting to do, well, anything.

In this case, Meadows is acknowledging that Congress can form committees, but he's alleging because this was not properly formed (because Pelosi nixed the insurrectionists potential witnesses) it lacks the authority to issue subpoenas.

Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:42 pmI presume his claim about Pelosi making it improperly formed is typical BS, right?

bob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:56 pm

Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:42 pmI presume his claim about Pelosi making it improperly formed is typical BS, right?

Basically, yes: Even if there were some irregularities about the committee, no court is going to say that the Speaker can't run the House. There's certainly no constitutional right for a minority party to name its preferred committee members.

(CNN)Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows provided the House select committee investigating the January 6 riot with text messages and emails that show he was "exchanging with a wide range of individuals while the attack was underway," according to a source with knowledge of the communications.

The messages on Meadows' personal cell phone and email account, which were voluntarily handed over without any claim of executive privilege, relate to "what Donald Trump was doing and not doing during the riot," the source added.

These communications offer a window into what people were texting to Meadows on January 6, what he was telling them about Trump in real time, and what the former President was doing for those hours while the Capitol was under attack and rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence," according to the source.

While a handful of Trump loyalists have defied the committee, the source familiar with the investigation said there are "many people every week coming in to testify and produce documents." In some instances, "multiple people a day," appear before the committee, the source added.

The committee's works is happening on two levels -- in public and behind closed doors. The committee has said it has subpoenaed about 40 individuals, but the source tells CNN there are a large number of additional subpoenas that have not been revealed publicly. The source says that among these witnesses are "names we will recognize" and eventually those are likely to become public as well.

In a letter sent to the Meadows' attorney on Wednesday, the committee hinted at the content of the texts it has received from Trump's former chief of staff. The letter noted Meadows provided the committee with "text messages about the need for the former President to issue a public statement that could have stopped the January 6th attack on the Capitol."

The source familiar with the communications tells CNN the texts may not reflect well on the former president.

Latest: Trump White House chief Mark Meadows turned over to Jan. 6 committee an email that referred to a PowerPoint calling for Trump to declare a NatSec emergency and have VP Pence delay Biden’s certification

Mark Meadows and the National Archives are in talks over potential records he did “not properly” turn over from his personal phone and email account, the presidential record-keeping agency confirmed Thursday.

“NARA is working with counsel to Mark Meadows to obtain any Presidential records that were not properly copied or forwarded into his official account,” a NARA spokesperson said in a statement to POLITICO.

A source close to former President Donald Trump’s ex-chief of staff confirmed that Meadows is working with the National Archives to turn over any documents that he was supposed to provide upon the end of Trump's term.

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:38 pm No link yet, but court just ruled against the DFO in the White House document fight. Biden has the right to determine executive privilege.

A federal appeals court on Thursday rejected former president Donald Trump’s bid to keep his White House documents secret from a congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, potentially setting up an emergency review by the Supreme Court.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit upheld a lower court’s opinion, which said that in a dispute between a current and past president over whether to release White House records, the sitting president must prevail.

Judges Patricia A. Millett, Robert L. Wilkins and Ketanji Brown Jackson denied Trump’s request for a preliminary injunction blocking the National Archives and Records Administration from releasing the first roughly 800 pages of disputed Trump papers after President Biden declined to assert executive privilege as requested by his predecessor, setting up the first of its kind constitutional controversy.

The court stayed the opinion 14 days for Trump’s legal team to appeal to the Supreme Court, as they requested at a Nov. 30 hearing in case of adverse ruling.

Kendra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:47 pm I almost (almost) wish he was back on Twitter so we could see his ranting. Almost.

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While @RepLizCheney keeps working to bring America together as Bob Dole did, you continue to divide & lose. DC Circuit was right & SCOTUS will agree. Taking advantage of weak-minded dead-end election deniers may make you money, but it's truly un-American.