E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)

[Kendra]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Judge threatens to kick Trump out of court. Trump responds: "I would love it"
From CNN‘s Lauren del Valle, Kara Scannell and Jeremy Herb

Judge Lewis Kaplan warned former President Donald Trump that he could be removed from the courtroom if he’s disruptive following another complaint from E. Jean Carroll’s lawyer that Trump could be heard making comments during testimony.

Carroll lawyer Shawn Crowley said Trump could be heard commenting, saying things like, "It is a witch hunt" and “It really is a con job.”

Kaplan responded, “Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which what has been reported to me consists of. And if he disregards court orders, Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial.”

Trump threw his hands up in response.

“I understand you’re probably eager for me to do that,” Kaplan said.

Reporters in the courtroom heard Trump say, “I would love it.”

“I know you would,” Kaplan said. “You just can’t control yourself in this circumstance apparently.”

The parties then left the courtroom for lunch.

[neonzx]

What a circus!!
Too bad it is not televised.

[noblepa]

Rhetorical question: Does anyone really believe that the mango mussilini will comply with the judge's admonition to be quiet and behave?

[raison de arizona]

tfg is dying to get kicked out, it will be interesting to see if Judge Kaplan obliges him.

[Suranis]

He wants to be thrown out. Of course not.

The judge should throw him in a cell for a few days for contempt. No reporters, no one to scream at. Nothing. It would be the greatest hell that a Narcissist could imagine. Nothing to distract hm from the miserable scrap of flesh that is himself.

[Reality Check]

They're back.
Judge Kaplan: I understand there is an application.
Trump's lawyer Madaio: We move for recusal. Shawn Crowley is a former law clerk, you accepted her representation... There is an atmosphere of hostility.
Judge Kaplan: Denied

[raison de arizona]

He wants to be thrown out. Of course not.

The judge should throw him in a cell for a few days for contempt. No reporters, no one to scream at. Nothing. It would be the greatest hell that a Narcissist could imagine. Nothing to distract hm from the miserable scrap of flesh that is himself.

I am firmly in favor of this outcome.

[MN-Skeptic]

Trump may believe that getting thrown out will be good for his image with his supporters, however it also is showing the jury just how unhinged and easily triggered he is. It shows the jury just how truthful Carroll is with her assertions about Trump's past vitriol spewed at her.

[noblepa]

Trump may believe that getting thrown out will be good for his image with his supporters, however it also is showing the jury just how unhinged and easily triggered he is. It shows the jury just how truthful Carroll is with her assertions about Trump's past vitriol spewed at her.

I suspect that he doesn't really care how much the jury awards Ms. Carroll. He has no intention of paying it anyway. He thinks that, he only need delay paying until he is inaugurated as POTUS. Then he can somehow make it go away with his unlimited power. At the very least, he would refuse to pay and argue that a sitting president can't be sued to enforce a civil judgement.

Meanwhile, in the short term, it gives him fodder for his (un)Truth Social posts that the judge is biased and is denying him due process, etc. His base aleady believes this and will lap it up (and send more money).

[raison de arizona]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1747670 ... 67913?s=20

Trump has been muttering loudly & slamming his hand at counsel’s table.

Judge Kaplan now, before the jury was brought back in says: “before we bring in the jury I’m just going to ask Mr. Trump to take special care to keep his voice down so the jury does not overhear it.”

[Kendra]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Trump attorney asks judge to recuse himself for "general hostility"
From CNN‘s Lauren del Valle, Kara Scannell and Jeremy Herb

Before the jury entered the courtroom for afternoon proceedings, Donald Trump's attorney Michael Madaio made a motion for Judge Lewis Kaplan to recuse himself from the civil defamation case, citing a “general hostility.”

Madaio pointed to an exchange Kaplan had with Trump before the lunch break after E. Jean Carroll attorney Shawn Crowley complained Trump could be heard commenting during Carroll’s testimony. The judge warned Trump that he could be removed.

“There was representations made by Shawn Crowley, who was your former law clerk, regarding some of the conduct by President Trump. You immediately accepted the representations. There was no opportunity for the defense to respond. There was no consultation of the defense,” Madaio said. “You made representations that President Trump cannot control himself, that he’s disruptive.”

"And there’s also been a general hostility towards the defense throughout this case," Trump's attorney added as the former president returned to the defense table.

[Reality Check]

Inner City Press Part 5: (Afternoon)

► Show Spoiler

Now: Jury entering!
Roberta Kaplan: In these four years, there have been times you've felt OK?
Carroll: Oh yes. Buoyant.
RK: Now let's get to the CNN Town Hall.
RK: And this disk, did you sign it?
Carroll: Yes, ECJ. I followed along - the transcript is accurate.
Madaio: Objection, Your Honor.
Judge Kaplan: One lawyer per witness and you're not it.
Habba: What rule is that?
Judge Kaplan: My order this morning. You heard it
Judge Kaplan: OK you're had the conference and the moment is over. I can't hear you.
RK: We'll come back to this, I don't want to waste the time of the jury.
[Video played, Hawkeye State: Trump says, "Bergdorf Goodman? It's all made up!"]
RK: What happened after Mr. Trump made those statements?
Carroll: There was a flurry of attacks.
RK: Have you gotten used to it?
Carroll: I will never get used to attacks like that.
RK: People congratulated you, & positive media articles- doesn't that repair your reputation
Carroll: No.
RK: Are you better known now?
Carroll: By people who think I'm a liar-
Habba: Objection, she's speaking about what other people think
Judge Kaplan: Overruled
RK: When did you stop your Elle column?
Carroll: The end of 2019.
RK: Do you still publish a column?
Carroll: Yes, on Substack.
RK: Pardon my ignorance, what is Substack?
Carroll: People can pay to read. I have 21,000 - 1800 of them are paid
RW: Have your Twitter followers increased since 2019?
Carroll: Yes.
RW: Do you make any money from your followers on Twitter?
Carroll: No.
RW: Can you still freelance?
Carroll: The assignments are all about Donald Trump, nothing else.
RW: How much do you earn?
Carroll: About --
Habba: Objection, specify the year.
Judge Kaplan: That's a subject for cross examination.
RW: How much did you use to make, versus 2023?
Carroll: $50,000 versus in 2023, 500 thousand, I mean, 500 dollars

[Reality Check]

ICP Part 6: (End of direct testimony by EJC)

RW: Did you post on Twitter?
Carroll: Yes. Dog videos and a Christmas message wishing people care and love.
RW: Did you receive replies? Scroll through them, people will get a sense
["Shut up you chattering skeleton"]
RW: Let's show this--
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Ground?
Habba: It's prejudicial.
Judge Kaplan: All evidence is prejudicial against the party it is offered against
RW: Who is this from?
Carroll: Someone called Nebraska Cornhusker, he writes I am a trashy whore and Trump will get back at me
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Overruled.
RW: Did he post about you yesterday?
Carroll: So I've been told. On Truth Social
Carroll: This was posted as we were in the courtroom yesterday. "I had no idea who this woman was. PURE FICTION."
Roberta Kaplan: No further questions.
Judge Kaplan: Cross examination?
Habba: Give me a moment, please.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, you used to live in Montana?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Fair to say it was boring to you?
Carroll: Montana is never boring.
Habba: You were deposed twice by me - let's look. Do you recall saying you and your first husband, the spark was gone - sorry
Habba: You said, I came to New York to interview Fran Lebowitz-
Judge Kaplan: Can I get the transcript?
Roberta Kaplan: Your Honor, I don't see the difference
Habba: May I proceed?
Judge Kaplan: No. She just said something. And you haven't provided the transcript

[raison de arizona]

tfg's thoughts on Truth, such as they are (posted during the break)...

► Show Spoiler

I feel an obligation to be at every moment of this ridiculous trial because we have a seething and hostile Clinton-appointed Judge, Lewis Kaplan, who suffers from a major case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. In the first trial, with the same Judge, where I was asked not to go by my lawyers because it was “beneath me as a former President of the United States,” he was reported to have been extraordinarily hostile to our side. But I should have gone, if for no other reason than to witness and speak up against the abuse carried out by this Judge. There was no way that case should have been lost! I was accused of something that I didn’t do. Now, because I want to be at this Witch Hunt 100% of the time and watch what is going on, my attorneys asked the Judge for a one day delay so that I can attend the funeral of my beloved mother-in-law, with my wife and entire family, tomorrow in Palm Beach, Florida.…

…PAGE 2: The Judge, angrily, and somewhat surprisingly, said NO, you can go to the trial, or you can go to the funeral, but not both. He is abusive, rude, and obviously not impartial but, that’s the way this crooked system works!

Page Three: Additionally, he’s not allowing the “Monica Lewinsky-style” dress into the case. E. Jean Carroll said she had a dress, and when we said, “OK, use it,” she didn’t want to produce it, and the Judge wouldn’t allow the information to be brought in, because there was no information, other than it would show my innocence! This Judge should be sanctioned for his abuse of power—No wonder our Country is going to Hell! The second trial is a totally separate case from the first one, so the Jury should decide on guilt, which does not exist, instead of a reward, which I should get, not her. This Judge is not allowing that, he is not allowing me to properly defend myself from false accusations, he’s taking the unfair decision in the first trial, which we are appealing, and sticking selected parts of it into this trial. As to guilt or innocence, he is wrongfully forcing guilty, which is unAmerican. We have a very bad and hostile Judge, but we’re fighting all the way. MAGA!

[raison de arizona]

Breaking for Judge Kaplan to explain how things work to Habba. Again

[raison de arizona]

Tacopina officially out.

► Show Spoiler

[Reality Check]

ICP Part 7: (EJC Cross x cont'd)

► Show Spoiler

They've back.
Habba: When you were on the cover of New York Magazine, how much was the dress you were wearing?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: What's the most you've made annually?
Carroll: $400,000
Habba: That's a lot in today's dollars, right?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: You're going to have to be more specific
Habba: You agree $400,000 in 1995 is about double that today?
Carroll: Maybe.
Habba: You were on TV, too, right? Through 1997? And SNL?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Walk us through your books.
Carroll: Female Difficulties.
Habba: What's the whole title?
Carroll: Sorority Sisters, Rodeo Queens, Frigid Women, Smut Stars and Other Modern Girls
Habba: What's a rodeo queen?
Carroll: You have to ride and rope, out in the West. It is difficult.
Habba: What about Frigid Women?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained
Habba: What about Smut Stars?
Carroll: It's an old term for pornography.
Habba: What did you first tell me?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection. No idea what she's doing.
Judge Kaplan: My order, I said, say how you are using transcripts.
Habba: She was not afraid of porn
Carroll's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: How did the book sell?
Carroll: It sold all 10,000 copies.
Habba: What was the next book?
Carroll: Biography of Hunter S. Thompson
Habba: Next?
Carroll: Two advice books - a Dog in Heat is a Hot Dog
Habba: How many copies of that book did you sell?
Carroll: It's still selling today.
Habba: How much in 2023?
Carroll: I don't know.
Habba: And "how a smart woman can land her dream man in six weeks" - did it do well?
Carroll: It did well, royalties still

[raison de arizona]

comic relief

[raison de arizona]

Le sigh. Poor Habba.

[Rolodex]

I know this conversation was posted above, but it lacked the last reported retort from the dipshit.

"Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial. I understand you are probably very eager for me to do that," Kaplan said.

"I would love it. I would love it," Trump responded and waved his hands.

"I know you would because you just can’t control yourself in this circumstance," Kaplan responded.

"You can’t either," Trump responded.

I feel like I've seen video clips of this behavior on court room compilation videos of unruly defendants.

AND

Habba really doesn't understand how federal court works.

AND - tfg doesn't understand this trial isn't about rape and Kaplan didn't decide the case that was; it was a jury. I hope no one on this jury finds these antics funny or entertaining. Reportedly 7 men on the jury. Don't know racial or age distribution.

[raison de arizona]

Habba: Do you know if there is a communications team at the White House?
Carroll: I don't know.
Habba: I represent to you that it does -
Judge Kaplan: You're not going to be representing anything, or you'll be a witness.

Habba: Did you sue over the White House statement?
Carroll: No.
Habba: You're suing over the June 21, 2019 statements, right?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: But you got online responses before President Trump said anything?
Carroll: Correct.
Habba: 5 hours?
Carroll: Yes

Habba: Many people called you a liar before the President made his statement --
Carroll's lawyer: She's not asking a question.
Habba: I wasn't finished. It says, "You're a pathetic old hag"
Judge Kaplan: It's not in evidence.
Habba: I'm trying to get it in

Judge Kaplan: No, we are not going to read out loud a document not yet in evidence. We are going to take a break right here to 3:30 and you're going to refresh your memory about how you get a document in.

https://x.com/innercitypress/status/174 ... 40292?s=20

[Reality Check]

ICP Part 7 (EJC Cross X cont'd)
When these get quite long I will use the spoiler tool to condense them.

► Show Spoiler

Habba: Then Nina Garcia took over at Elle?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection. Beyond the scope.
Habba: Was your salary lowered?
Carroll: Yes. All magazine advertising was down--
Habba: Was your salary changed?
Carroll: Yes. Halved in 2018. From 120,000 to 60,000
Habba; Was that a low point for your career?
Carroll: It was a lost, being halved
Habba: Did you go on TV to promote your newest book?
Carroll: It is my duty as a writer.
Habba: Did you do that on previous books?
Carroll: I went on the Early Show for Mr Right
Carroll: So I went on more TV for that book.
Habba: Was that prime time?
Carroll: No.
Habba: How many men are in What Do We Need Men For?
Carroll: Maybe 60.
Habba: How many times is the word Trump in your book?
Carroll: Once
Habba: And how many times did you say it on TV?
Carroll: I didn't like to say it. Usually it was the interviewer
Habba: But you do mention it often, right?
Carroll: I did it here, because that's the topic. On TV, they choose the topic
Habba: Did you mention any of the other men?
Carroll: Several were done in a humorous way
Habba: What does that mean?
Carroll: I tried to get the other stories in
Habba: You went public with your allegations in June 2019, to The Cut of NY Magazine?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: The president's response was five hours after the publication of the Cut?
Carroll: NY Magazine went online. They reached out to the White House - we never planned to do it on Friday, it's not a good day to release things. But the NYT had it
Habba: Do you know if there is a communications team at the White House?
Carroll: I don't know.
Habba: I represent to you that it does -
Judge Kaplan: You're not going to be representing anything, or you'll be a witness.
Habba: Did you sue over the White House statement?
Carroll: No.
Habba: You're suing over the June 21, 2019 statements, right?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: But you got online responses before President Trump said anything?
Carroll: Correct.
Habba: 5 hours?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: Many people called you a liar before the President made his statement --
Carroll's lawyer: She's not asking a question.
Habba: I wasn't finished. It says, "You're a pathetic old hag"
Judge Kaplan: It's not in evidence.
Habba: I'm trying to get it in
Judge Kaplan: No, we are not going to read out loud a document not yet in evidence. We are going to take a break right here to 3:30 and you're going to refresh your memory about how you get a document in.

Thread will continue

They've back.
Judge Kaplan: Ms. Habba can't use documents that are not in evidence.
Jury entering!
Habba: Did you receive Tweets in the 5 hours before President Trump spoke?
Carroll: I hadn't seen them.
Habba: Were you tagged?
Judge Kaplan: Don't get into content!
Habba: How do you suggest I proceed?
Judge Kaplan: Show it to her, ask if she recognizes it.
Habba: Do you recognize it?
Carroll: Yes.
Judge Kaplan: It's not marked. It should be marked. Do it appropriately. Do it overnight. They. Need. To. Be. Premarked.
Habba: Did you anticipate the public would immediately believe your allegations?
Judge Kaplan: Sidebar.
[Whispered sidebar ensues]
They've back.
Habba: So you deleted the messages - then you deleted the trash?
Carroll: I periodically delete the trash. I have an old computer.
Habba: When did you stop deleting?
Carroll: During the second lawsuit, the one that went on in May
Habba: You said you receive death threats daily - but you deleted then until trial? Explain what you mean.
Judge Kaplan: Explain what she means by what?
Habba: When did you stop deleting death threats?
Carroll: I had not received how many there were.
Habba: Did you receive a subpoena?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Did you know you had a discovery obligation?
Carroll: They were just replies, slime...
Habba: What about messages in your inbox, did you delete them?
Carroll: No.
Habba: So you have the death threats?
Carroll: I deleted them.
Habba: So you-
Carroll's lawyer: Asked and answered.
Habba: This is a very important question
Carroll's lawyer: I object to the commentary too
Carroll: I may have deleted some emails too, I'm not sure
Habba: Did you give them to your lawyers?
Carroll: No.
Habba: Why not?
Carroll: I don't want to upset them
Habba: Do you keep the supporting emails?
Carroll: Yes. I tend to delete questions that I know I won't use. But I have an entire label for supportive messages.
Habba: Do you control your email?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: So only you deleted them?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, are you aware it is illegal to delete evidence?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Habba: I move for a mistrial, evidence has been deleted
Judge Kaplan: Denied and the jury will disregard everything Ms. Habba just said
Habba: You stated you were in a cocoon of love, a week after President Trump's statement?
Carroll: I did.
Habba: So it appears you weren't suffering much, fair to say?
Carroll: No fair. I experienced support and a flood of slime. Both. Both. Both things occurred
Habba: But some was before the President's statement?
Carroll: It was from him-
Habba: Based on what?
Carroll: The way they were phrased.
Habba: Didn't you say you went off social media?
Carroll: Sometimes I take a break, I come back for breaking news
Carroll: I take a break. One can't live by Twitter alone
Habba: Now you believe these tweets are real and not fake?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: On June 22 Lisa Birnbach texted you - I offer DX 11
Judge Kaplan: Is this already in?
Habba: Yes.
Judge Kaplan: Then you don't have to introduce it.
Habba: You said you were confused
Carroll: I did sleep until noon
Habba: So it's not accurate?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: You said you're glad you're not living in Montana anymore?
Carroll: If you say so.
Habba: Don't take my word for it. Here it is
Habba: You attracted media exposure after you came forward with these allegations against President Trump?
Carroll: Yes. To promote the book I answered about President Trujmp.
Habba: Is he the only one you discussed?
Carroll: It's all that asked about
Habba: Could you have mentioned others from the book?
Carroll: I could have. I didn't.
Habba: If you were so damaged, why didn't you stop going on TV?
Carroll: Anderson Cooper was my last. I was done.
Habba: Did you have to accept the appearances?
Carroll: No.

[Reality Check]

ICP Part 8: (EJC Cross X cont'd)

► Show Spoiler

Habba: Didn't you testify you don't like talking about President Trump?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: Let's talk about the podcasts -- The Daily, All Ears, MeidasTouch, TrumpCast--
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Did you say Trump?
Carroll's lawyer: What does she mean?
Habba: She said she didn't like saying his name. That's a lot of appearances for someone who doesn't want to say Trump
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained. That's argumentative
Habba: You don't book yourself on TV
Carroll: I don't.
Habba: Who pays for the publicists?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection to form, Your Honor.
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, status is important to you?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: You still want more publicity?
Carroll: I'm pretty much done with it, and with books.
Habba: Are you writing a book with Mary Trump?
Carroll: She is writing the book, I'm in charge of the comments. It's Mary's money.
Habba: Whose idea was it?
Carroll: We were talking during the pandemic. Mary put it on Substack.
Habba: Has Mary Trump sued Donald Trump?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, have you ever said anything you regretted on national television?
Carroll: Yes -
Carroll's lawyer: Can we have a sidebar?
Judge Kaplan: Yes.
[Whispered sidebar ensues]
They're back.
Habba: Have you deleted text message and not just emails?
Carroll: When I see threats I delete them.
Habba: Can we have a sidebar?
Judge Kaplan: No.

[Reality Check]

ICP Part 9: (EJC Cross X cont'd)

► Show Spoiler

Habba: Ms. Carroll, have you ever gotten into arguments with Twitter users?
Carroll: Possibly.
Habba: But you said you were afraid. Did you get oral threats?
Carroll: People left messages. I didn't answer.
Habba: You deleted them?
Carroll: I didn't know you could
Habba: You don't know what the police would do, do you?
Carroll: I think those who send messages use emails they get off of TOR, the IP address is hidden
Habba: Are you afraid they're going to come to your home?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: But you never call the police
Carroll's lawyer: Objection, argumentative.
Habba: You have the same phone for four years?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Who is Carol Martin - would you call her a confidante?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: You told her you felt safe?
Carroll: I do, in NYC
Habba: So was lying to Carol Martin appropriate?
Carroll: Yes. Her daughter was scared. So I said I had not received threats.
Habba: So you lied when you said no threats -
Carroll's lawyer: Objection. That wasn't the testimony
Habba: You have a gun - do you have a license?
Carroll: No.
Habba: Are you aware that you have to have a licence-
Judge Kaplan: Don't even start.
Habba: Do you have bullets for the gun?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: You live in this state?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Didn't you say you would advise people not to go to H.R.?
Carroll: Yes. H.R. decides cases to benefit the company.
Habba: You did a watch party with Kathy Griffin?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: She held up the severed head of Donald Trump?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, have you ever said you like speaking with me?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Is that at some level because you enjoy the attention?
Carroll: I wanted people to know that woman can win. I'm 80. It's not right to try to make women be quiet.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, you were not quiet in the 1980s, right?
Carroll: Right.
Habba: But after 25 years you brought this suit against the sitting President?
Judge Kaplan: You're running the repeat key too often, Ms. Habba
Habba: Who is George Conway?
Carroll: He is a lawyer who does not like Donald Trump.
Habba: Has he been on TV these days?
Carroll: I think so. I wouldn't be surprised.
Judge Kaplan: We'll break now.
[As jury files out, Trump leaves too. But the lawyers are staying - there may be more]

[Rolodex]

Gee willikers Habba is a dope. She's trying to get a "gotcha" moment. She's too inexperienced (or dumb) to know how things work in federal court and tfg is just going to say how unfair the judge is to both her and him.

It's like she learned law by watching tv (and not even court tv). I bet she's not the one who'll question the expert (the one who knows how to calculate damages).