Re: Russia Invades Ukraine
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:49 pm
On the other hand, look at the size of those rockets!
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On the other hand, look at the size of those rockets!
I don't think you can link directly to the Apple podcast, which as far as I know is only opened in iTunes. But there is a share icon that gives you the option to copy the link to the webpage. You probably know this, but here is the link to the webpage for podcast you reference:Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:42 pm If you have a moment, go listen to Greg Olear’s Prevail podcast from today, entitled Putin’s War, with his guest Zerlina Zabrisky. She’s one of his go-to Russian experts (the other is Moscow Never Sleeps, who’s on right after her.) She has some very interesting things to say. She grew up in the same village as Putin, went to university at the same time as Putin’s wife. She knows a lot about the culture of both Ukraine and Russia.
She made me cry with her answer, near the end, to “Knowing so much about Putin, Russia and Ukraine, what has surprised you so far about this war?” She began listing everything she had expected. When she got to the part about what she hadn’t expected, she could barely speak.
If someone could show me how to link to Apple podcasts I would appreciate it forever and a day.
I found it here; you can listen on your browser.p0rtia wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:08 pmI don't think you can link directly to the Apple podcast, which as far as I know is only opened in iTunes. But there is a share icon that gives you the option to copy the link to the webpage. You probably know this, but here is the link to the webpage for podcast you reference:Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:42 pm If you have a moment, go listen to Greg Olear’s Prevail podcast from today, entitled Putin’s War, with his guest Zerlina Zabrisky. She’s one of his go-to Russian experts (the other is Moscow Never Sleeps, who’s on right after her.) She has some very interesting things to say. She grew up in the same village as Putin, went to university at the same time as Putin’s wife. She knows a lot about the culture of both Ukraine and Russia.
She made me cry with her answer, near the end, to “Knowing so much about Putin, Russia and Ukraine, what has surprised you so far about this war?” She began listing everything she had expected. When she got to the part about what she hadn’t expected, she could barely speak.
If someone could show me how to link to Apple podcasts I would appreciate it forever and a day.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/p ... 0554460193
Gonna go listen now! Just what I was looking for, so thanks!![]()
I agree. They are pure aggressor and need to pay. But balance that with not making the average person suffer egregiously for decisions made a thousand levels above their pay grade so to speak.Gregg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:43 pm I am gonna be pretty adamant that Russia pays Reparations to Ukraine for this war, and that X amount of their oil revenue should go towards rebuilding that which has been destroyed.
Not that anyone listens to me, but its the bare minimum I'd accept as terms for Russia's surrender.
No argument. But what makes us think that suddenly Russia and its kleptocracy will suddenly start playing nice? There is too much money involved for the proper amount of funds to make their way to the Ukraine. They not only lie, they fucking lie all the time.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:54 pmI agree. They are pure aggressor and need to pay. But balance that with not making the average person suffer egregiously for decisions made a thousand levels above their pay grade so to speak.Gregg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:43 pm I am gonna be pretty adamant that Russia pays Reparations to Ukraine for this war, and that X amount of their oil revenue should go towards rebuilding that which has been destroyed.
Not that anyone listens to me, but its the bare minimum I'd accept as terms for Russia's surrender.
There could be, overseen by the UN or NATO, whom I am convinced are going to get drawn into this war one way or another. Putin is in bet even bigger to recover what we lost on the last hand mode and will get all bent about us helping and bomb a supply mission in Poland or something like. He might make something try to look like the Polish fired first or something, and it might be Estonia or who knows where but he's gonna need a bigger conspiracy to justify what he's lost to the people at home. How's it gonna look when Ukraine sinks one of those boats shelling Mariupol? He'll find a way, and play FAFO with someone he shouldn't have. It's straight from the Dictator's playbook.humblescribe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:17 pmNo argument. But what makes us think that suddenly Russia and its kleptocracy will suddenly start playing nice? There is too much money involved for the proper amount of funds to make their way to the Ukraine. They not only lie, they fucking lie all the time.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:54 pmI agree. They are pure aggressor and need to pay. But balance that with not making the average person suffer egregiously for decisions made a thousand levels above their pay grade so to speak.Gregg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:43 pm I am gonna be pretty adamant that Russia pays Reparations to Ukraine for this war, and that X amount of their oil revenue should go towards rebuilding that which has been destroyed.
Not that anyone listens to me, but its the bare minimum I'd accept as terms for Russia's surrender.
Then, with all due respect to our Ukrainian friends, do we think for an instant that all the money that is earmarked for reparations will actually wind up being used for said reparations? How much money did the Army uncover when they invaded Baghdad and looked into Hussein's various residences?
There is not going to be a disbursements division with 100% transparency to ensure that these putative funds are spent properly.
Sadly, I suspect in any peace talks, Crimea will be one of the big bargaining chips that Ukraine will be most willing to give away, and if they do manage to push Russia out, will probably be a territory they will not bother trying to retake. Maybe they will be able to at least get Donetsk and Luhansk back since those are easier to retake.
I would not be surprised if Russia ends up a vassel state of China after this. China has its own economic woes and while Russia is poor, its resources might be something to keep them afloat.China could just annex Siberia..
You mean greater Alaska that we neglected to occupy in the 19th Century? Maybe time to get around to that.Dave from down under wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:24 pm China could just annex Siberia..
That would be more likely and less nuclear than direct NATO engagement with Russia.
In my regular browsing of sites which constantly invent new evidence that the Iraqi Dinar is about to rocket in value (despite having no government for the last 6 months etc) one of the very positive factors they alighted on was the completion of Iraq's final payment of reparation to Kuwait for the damage and destruction of the invasion in 1990. That last payment was apparently made a few months ago. The wiki article is rather poor and not updated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... CommissionGregg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:41 pmThere could be, overseen by the UN or NATO, whom I am convinced are going to get drawn into this war one way or another. Putin is in bet even bigger to recover what we lost on the last hand mode and will get all bent about us helping and bomb a supply mission in Poland or something like. He might make something try to look like the Polish fired first or something, and it might be Estonia or who knows where but he's gonna need a bigger conspiracy to justify what he's lost to the people at home. How's it gonna look when Ukraine sinks one of those boats shelling Mariupol? He'll find a way, and play FAFO with someone he shouldn't have. It's straight from the Dictator's playbook.humblescribe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:17 pmNo argument. But what makes us think that suddenly Russia and its kleptocracy will suddenly start playing nice? There is too much money involved for the proper amount of funds to make their way to the Ukraine. They not only lie, they fucking lie all the time.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:54 pm
I agree. They are pure aggressor and need to pay. But balance that with not making the average person suffer egregiously for decisions made a thousand levels above their pay grade so to speak.
Then, with all due respect to our Ukrainian friends, do we think for an instant that all the money that is earmarked for reparations will actually wind up being used for said reparations? How much money did the Army uncover when they invaded Baghdad and looked into Hussein's various residences?
There is not going to be a disbursements division with 100% transparency to ensure that these putative funds are spent properly.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Wednesday accused Russia's President Vladimir Putin of blocking hundreds of ships filled with wheat in the Black Sea.
"Our continent is being rocked by a tectonic shift not seen since the fall of the Berlin Wall. The consequences of this war on Europe's security architecture will be far-reaching. And I'm not just talking about security in military terms, but also energy security and even food security are at stake," she said in a speech to the European Commission.