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Vice had an article about it. Since they are the only ones, not sure.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88x8b4/ ... qanon-dead

I guess the hospital wouldn't place him on a Medbed, so he died, or maybe they did, and he is really still alive. Who knows what dark things lurk in those downtown towers. I once got all lost and turned around in the various bridges/hallways/tunnels that connect the various parts of the Mayo Clinic. You know what the conspiracy folks think about buildings connected by tunnels or bridges. It has nothing to do with not having to go outside in the winter.

He died at the St. Mary's campus, not the downtown clinic, but they probably have lots of super secret tunnels from there. One probably opens across the street from St. Mary's at the Canadian Honker restaurant, which explains why some dude suddenly crawled up from under my table one morning.

Vice wrote:“If that was the plan that God had for him, I know that everything is going to be revealed soon,” Mullinax told VICE News on Wednesday.

Mullinax said that in recent days someone in her group had claimed Protzman “was taken out” but she dismissed that.

She did however claim that the person who died was in fact just one version of Michael Protzman, “the evil version” and that the good Michael Protzman—who is in fact JFK Jr. in a mask—is still alive and well.

northland10 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:12 am Vice had an article about it. Since they are the only ones, not sure.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88x8b4/ ... qanon-dead

The last two paragraphs of the article tell you a lot:

In one case however, one of Protzmans’ followers has put her name forward as a potential replacement leader of the group. “They killed Michael Protzman’s character so I take over Negative48 crew, follow me,” the follower wrote on Facebook.

“Protzman’s death won’t change anything right away, I believe new conspiracies surrounding his death will evolve,” Karma [a Twitter critic who follows Protzman's group closely] said. “But I do think his followers will dwindle and move on to other influencers over time.”

The corpse hasn't even cooled before the grifters start circling to grab power. This will be messy, since there's no organization to take over, like there was when David Miscavige took over Scientology after L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986. Presumably, all the money members donated went into Protzman's personal accounts, which are now frozen for the foreseeable future, since (IIRC) he was estranged from his family and thus probate will take forever.

Whoever tries to take over the group is basically starting over with no money (which can be used to reward the most loyal of followers) and no mandate to take over from the old leader, who was probably in a vegetative state after his crash. So whoever wants to grab the brass ring will have a very tough time of it.

The second paragraph is depressing. The followers probably won't wake up instantly from a bad dream and make amends to their families. They'll probably drift into the next QAnon influencer or other bizarre group. This is likely to be a path many disillusioned members follow in these "cults of opportunity" that, enabled by social media, arise quickly but don't build an organizational structure, and then collapse just as suddenly. Experts call this "cult hopping."

Compare this with the "good old days" of the several large cults in the 1970s, when the Moonies, Scientology, Hare Krishna and Transcendental Meditation were thriving. Few people who got disillusioned with Scientology became Moonies. They returned to some sort of normalcy. But now, individual cults are more-or-less disposable like poorly made polo shirts from H&M once the stitching starts to fray, but there are always new ones to suck people in.

I even ran across a website once where you can "choose" a cult that fits what you are looking for. I'm not posting the link for obvious reasons.

Suranis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:06 pm I even ran across a website once where you can "choose" a cult that fits what you are looking for. I'm not posting the link for obvious reasons.

I want to join the one that is led by King Henry II who faked his death in 1189 and is in fact still alive in a little cottage in Chinon, France.

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:26 am

Suranis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:06 pm I even ran across a website once where you can "choose" a cult that fits what you are looking for. I'm not posting the link for obvious reasons.

I want to join the one that is led by King Henry II who faked his death in 1189 and is in fact still alive in a little cottage in Chinon, France.

We call ourselves The Lions In Winter, you insensitive clod.

Er, I mean, uh..... LOOK, OVER THERE, IT'S THE KING OF FRANCE!

Like Eleanor would have let Henry get away with that.

I am so pleased that I hang out in a crowd where immediately two people put a King in the proper context 800 years after his death and 60 years after the movie that made e fall in love with England when I was just a little boy.

Well read friends and acquaintances are one of the best gifts a life can deliver to you.

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:24 pm I am so pleased that I hang out in a crowd where immediately two people put a King in the proper context 800 years after his death and 60 years after the movie that made e fall in love with England when I was just a little boy.

Well read friends and acquaintances are one of the best gifts a life can deliver to you.

Lion in Winter was the first movie I bought on Amazon Prime when I first kicked off my membership. It's right up there, for me, with A Man for All Seasons.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:23 pm

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:24 pm I am so pleased that I hang out in a crowd where immediately two people put a King in the proper context 800 years after his death and 60 years after the movie that made e fall in love with England when I was just a little boy.

Well read friends and acquaintances are one of the best gifts a life can deliver to you.

Lion in Winter was the first movie I bought on Amazon Prime when I first kicked off my membership. It's right up there, for me, with A Man for All Seasons.

I watched Becket first, but both are really good.

Wolf Hall is excellent

Gregg wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:54 am

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:23 pm

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:24 pm I am so pleased that I hang out in a crowd where immediately two people put a King in the proper context 800 years after his death and 60 years after the movie that made e fall in love with England when I was just a little boy.

Well read friends and acquaintances are one of the best gifts a life can deliver to you.

Lion in Winter was the first movie I bought on Amazon Prime when I first kicked off my membership. It's right up there, for me, with A Man for All Seasons.

I watched Becket first, but both are really good.

Becket, good, but not written in iambic pentameter. That's what knocks Lion out of the park for me.

I am not a religious person.

Thomas More as portrayed in "A Man for All Seasons" seems deluded to me but I still have to admire his steadfast adherence to his beliefs even unto death when he could have voided that simply by signing an oath.

I also love the music in the Paul Scofield version.

The 1988 Charleston Heston version is not so great.

I have not yet watched "Wolf Hall".

Volkonski wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:44 pm I am not a religious person.

Thomas More as portrayed in "A Man for All Seasons" seems deluded to me but I still have to admire his steadfast adherence to his beliefs even unto death when he could have voided that simply by signing an oath.

I also love the music in the Paul Scofield version.

The 1988 Charleston Heston version is not so great.

The Paul Scofield version benefited from being (I think) adapted from the play by the playwright (Robert Bolt), so it felt calm and measured, with relatively long scenes (as is necessary on stage) rather than intercutting between locations, as is easily done in film.

I saw the Charlton Heston version and thought "what was the point of making this?" I think it was made simply because Heston wanted to have a go, which is a privilege of fame.

As others point out, it's worrying when historical figures are overly fictionalized, even if simplification and caricaturing is inevitable to fit a complex person and plot into a two hour romp.

Remakes for different treatments or because the original was so long ago that it is technically tatty I get, but that remake of A Man For All Seasons, together with more recent remakes of True Grit and Ghostbusters were a waste of resources in my opinion. Find a new story to tell!

bill_g wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:59 am

Off Topic

OT, but how off topic can you get with discussions about Q. Seems to be their bread and butter.

Anyway - hospitals, hallways, tunnels - Holy Hell! Every hospital in the Portland metro area has some kind of byzantine corridor system both above and below ground. It's an artifact of their building one wing at a time expanding over decades to add services and to keep up with demand on a finite amount of land. A once open campus becomes a self contained metropolis with a complicated horizontal strata and equally mysterious vertical lift and stair system. Knowing how to get from one place to another becomes precious information.

The janitorial and food service staffs over generations evolved into strange navigation savants. They were the first and most overlooked class of mutants. But they could deliver breakfast to any room in any hospital in 3 minutes or less. The fact that it took 2 hours to get your breakfast was just their way of getting back at a society that shunned them.

I've worked in old, old, OLD hospitals, night shift. There are some funky ways of getting around, especially if you don't mind running into morgue attendants (they often leave bodies in their room until all the visitors go home before taking them downstairs).

Truth.

"All these things"? Be specific. You know you can do it. Right?

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:59 pm "All these things"? Be specific. You know you can do it. Right?

It's like a professional fortuneteller doing a cold reading. You're meant to nod sagely and agree that, yes, by gum, lots of things have in fact been happening.

I don't know where Q-tippers get their news, but I listen to NPR and they've been talking about it all week.