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Foggy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:04 pm As much as we're all outraged and sickened by the pointless violence and this stupid war ... as much as the world is reacting as one, supporting the Ukrainians in their hour of need ...

I know Saddam was not Zelenskyy. I know there were other differences. But I think Americans should remember what we did, this week. We have less of a right to criticize than some nations.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:06 pm Crap. I hate it when reality rears it’s ugly head.

Foggy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:04 pm As much as we're all outraged and sickened by the pointless violence and this stupid war ... as much as the world is reacting as one, supporting the Ukrainians in their hour of need ...

I know Saddam was not Zelenskyy. I know there were other differences. But I think Americans should remember what we did, this week. We have less of a right to criticize than some nations.

Suranis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:31 pm

Foggy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:04 pm As much as we're all outraged and sickened by the pointless violence and this stupid war ... as much as the world is reacting as one, supporting the Ukrainians in their hour of need ...

I know Saddam was not Zelenskyy. I know there were other differences. But I think Americans should remember what we did, this week. We have less of a right to criticize than some nations.

I'd comment but people would accuse me of being anti-american.

keith wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:51 pm It was the first out and out US war of aggression since 1812 when US invaded Canada. (Incursions into Mexico were just that, illegal but only incursions).

p0rtia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:22 pm A must watch. Captured Russian soldier spills his guts as to what's been on his mind since he came to Ukraine. 10 minutes and worth every one.

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keith wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:51 pm I think this is a safe place to speak your mind, Suranis.

Suranis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:46 am

Probably more harsh than I intend. I love the States but bloody heck guys.

keith wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:51 pm

The US invasion of Iraq was a war crime and Bush and his advisors should be tried as war criminals.

It was the first out and out US war of aggression since 1812 when US invaded Canada. (Incursions into Mexico were just that, illegal but only incursions).

ETA. Oh I almost forgot Cuba... set up by the media, the US excuse to invade Cuba and trigger the Spanish-American war was ill-informed, but I'm not really sure it could be classified as a war of aggression - but maybe it could - so the premise of my post is under a cloud.

Suranis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:46 am

keith wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:51 pm I think this is a safe place to speak your mind, Suranis.

*sigh* Ok.

Basically I feel that the war was taking all the goodwill America had built up, then the states urinated on the worlds leg with Buh. Then you had the 11th of September, the States had the sympathy and goodwill of the world, and then they took a bucket of urine and dumped it all over the worlds head, and all for a lie a 3 year old could have seen through.

And while they did that we were all supposed to keep feeling sympathy for the 11th of September attacks while stinking from the urine.

Now, the Euro stats have been still a bit like spoiled kids by demanding the USA do the heavy lifting in terms of Arms defense while they do not much. So they have been a bit hypocritical.

But yes, you dragged the world into a war with a tissue of lies, abandoned Afghanistan when you had a real chance of doing something right just so a dickhead could have HIS WAR, and have acted all butt hurt when people have pointed it out since, and pulled out the dirty greasy tarpaulin of NINE ELEVENEN to shut people up.

I'm in a country where people were blowing one another up for decades and the UK has been bombed loads of times. The 11th of September was a serious attack but it was a one time pinprick in a country behind a huge moat. It ranks right up my Nose when you use NINA EHVENEN as an excuse, and stick to tell people to shut up at any criticism.

And as a result the world became an unstable place. And you use that instability and NINE EHEVENENENENEN to launch 6 or 7 new carriers while your roads crumble, and your people are ground down more and more into poverty.

Probably more harsh than I intend. I love the States but bloody heck guys.