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Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president
Cy Vance's team plans to bring narrowly focused charges in its probe of the Trump Organization, says Ron Fischetti.

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:13 pm

June bug wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:24 pm If all they’ve got is fringe benefit tax evasion, why the hell did Vance bring on all those organized crime legal eagles?

Let’s wait and see what the indictment says. There may well be a lot of money involved.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:46 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

This is discouraging, but if you read carefully, it's clear they're starting at the bottom. Also, this is Politico.

Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president
Cy Vance's team plans to bring narrowly focused charges in its probe of the Trump Organization, says Ron Fischetti.

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

RTH10260 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:57 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:46 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

This is discouraging, but if you read carefully, it's clear they're starting at the bottom. Also, this is Politico.

Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president
Cy Vance's team plans to bring narrowly focused charges in its probe of the Trump Organization, says Ron Fischetti.

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

When you read carefully this is only about fringe benefits, wait until they get to the misvaluation of properties, That's when former impotus will get ab earful. Cause at least when it came to bank loans he had a word to say...

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:03 pm Is it plausible that the "small number of executives" who are in trouble for fringe benefits know something about misvaluation of properties?

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:46 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

This is discouraging, but if you read carefully, it's clear they're starting at the bottom. Also, this is Politico.

Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president
Cy Vance's team plans to bring narrowly focused charges in its probe of the Trump Organization, says Ron Fischetti.

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

Fischetti also said that Vance’s team told him they will not bring charges against Trump himself when the first indictment comes down.

“They just said, ‘When this indictment comes down, he won’t be charged. Our investigation is ongoing,’” he said

noblepa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:23 pm

LM K wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:06 pmShe's the only child he cares about.

Yeah, remember when he said that he would be dating her if he wasn't her father?

northland10 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:44 am Losing his (well the Trump Organization's) beloved properties would be fate worth than prison for Trump. To live in even a spacious single-family home would be awful for him. All of his current residences are within larger facilities where he can be seen by others as the big dog in charge. Living in a house like Obama, or even a ranch like Bush has would not provide that. He needs his adoring customers and tenants, and some wedding to crash to lift his whine for a toast.

filly wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:12 am

northland10 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:44 am Losing his (well the Trump Organization's) beloved properties would be fate worth than prison for Trump. To live in even a spacious single-family home would be awful for him. All of his current residences are within larger facilities where he can be seen by others as the big dog in charge. Living in a house like Obama, or even a ranch like Bush has would not provide that. He needs his adoring customers and tenants, and some wedding to crash to lift his whine for a toast.

Shrub ditched the ranch shortly after leaving the White House. It was always a political prop. He and Laura live in a very upscale area of Dallas proper, more in keeping with a retired wealthy Yalie. No dispute with your assessment of Satan though.

LM K wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:00 pm I'm torn. Which punishment is worse; Trump having to live as an average lower-working class person or a few years in prison?

Without his wealth, Trump suffers tremendous humiliation. Prison makes Trump a martyr to his base. While prison would be humiliating, not many people would witness his humiliation.

Trump is all about appearances and branding.

I guess I'm going with prison being a worse punishment. At Trump's age, any prison time will be a life sentence.

However, while many think it's possible that Trump could be sentenced to prison, I don't think Trump will. IF he is criminally indicted, he'll drag the entire process out as long as possible ... IF he has the personal funds to do so.

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:24 pm
I don't know. Even in prison, TFG won't be able to keep his mouth shut.

Anthony Williams, and Heather Tucci-Jarraf have been able to have their voices heard from behind bars.

Trump has a lot more followers than either of them. As long as he has telephone and/or email privileges, he will find someone who will breathlessly post his drivel. This would allow the outside world to witness his humiliation.

While I'm sure that he would claim that he was getting the truth out, (most) everyone else would see it for what it would be, a stupid voice, crying in the wilderness, complaining that he was wronged. The faithful would eat it up and keep him in the public eye.

somerset wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:54 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:46 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

This is discouraging, but if you read carefully, it's clear they're starting at the bottom. Also, this is Politico.

Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president
Cy Vance's team plans to bring narrowly focused charges in its probe of the Trump Organization, says Ron Fischetti.

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

It's Politico, and it's from an interview with the OSG's attorney. This is their spin on the story. Also, from the article:

Fischetti also said that Vance’s team told him they will not bring charges against Trump himself when the first indictment comes down.

“They just said, ‘When this indictment comes down, he won’t be charged. Our investigation is ongoing,’” he said

This sounds to me like "round one." Subsequent rounds could get much tougher for the Trump Crime Family.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:34 pm

somerset wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:54 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:46 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/2 ... rge-496768

This is discouraging, but if you read carefully, it's clear they're starting at the bottom. Also, this is Politico.

It's Politico, and it's from an interview with the OSG's attorney. This is their spin on the story. Also, from the article:

Fischetti also said that Vance’s team told him they will not bring charges against Trump himself when the first indictment comes down.

“They just said, ‘When this indictment comes down, he won’t be charged. Our investigation is ongoing,’” he said

This sounds to me like "round one." Subsequent rounds could get much tougher for the Trump Crime Family.

Does this mean they also have tax records on the employees who didn't claim their perks? Would they have been notified early on of their involvement in the investigation?

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:58 pm Took the new puppy Rosie to Petco for some "stuff" earlier and was thinking about this. My solution is "why not both!?" Sentence him home confinement with an ankle monitor because of his delicate health. Of course, the courts will strip him of his wealth, his wife will divorce him and his kids will abandon him after his conviction. He'll be radioactive to anyone who could even remotely be of any help to him, financial or otherwise, and nobody will take his calls. He'll have to live on the budget of his presidential retirement alone, run the risk of people protesting on his front lawn, lose all his businesses, and nobody will give him a second thought beyond shaking their head in pity if they happen to cross paths with him. I would even advocate they reinstate him on FB and twitter so the entire world can see him for who he really is. His grifting would amount to zero because any penny he made beyond his retirement or SS would go towards whatever fines and judgments are levied against him, for the rest of his life.

So, I vote for no prison. I want his crazy, stupid, malicious ass on full display for anyone who wants to ride by his split-level ranch and honk their horn and laugh.

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:13 pm

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:58 pm Took the new puppy Rosie to Petco for some "stuff" earlier and was thinking about this. My solution is "why not both!?" Sentence him home confinement with an ankle monitor because of his delicate health. Of course, the courts will strip him of his wealth, his wife will divorce him and his kids will abandon him after his conviction. He'll be radioactive to anyone who could even remotely be of any help to him, financial or otherwise, and nobody will take his calls. He'll have to live on the budget of his presidential retirement alone, run the risk of people protesting on his front lawn, lose all his businesses, and nobody will give him a second thought beyond shaking their head in pity if they happen to cross paths with him. I would even advocate they reinstate him on FB and twitter so the entire world can see him for who he really is. His grifting would amount to zero because any penny he made beyond his retirement or SS would go towards whatever fines and judgments are levied against him, for the rest of his life.

So, I vote for no prison. I want his crazy, stupid, malicious ass on full display for anyone who wants to ride by his split-level ranch and honk their horn and laugh.

I think that he will always have followers and sycophants, no matter what happens to him. If your scenario came to pass, there would still be those who believed that he won the 2020 election and will contribute to a GoFundMe campaign to help him make house payments. Many of those will be people who can't really afford it, but there will be some rich people and politicians who will stroke his eqo and feed his belly.

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:23 pm

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:13 pm

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:58 pm Took the new puppy Rosie to Petco for some "stuff" earlier and was thinking about this. My solution is "why not both!?" Sentence him home confinement with an ankle monitor because of his delicate health. Of course, the courts will strip him of his wealth, his wife will divorce him and his kids will abandon him after his conviction. He'll be radioactive to anyone who could even remotely be of any help to him, financial or otherwise, and nobody will take his calls. He'll have to live on the budget of his presidential retirement alone, run the risk of people protesting on his front lawn, lose all his businesses, and nobody will give him a second thought beyond shaking their head in pity if they happen to cross paths with him. I would even advocate they reinstate him on FB and twitter so the entire world can see him for who he really is. His grifting would amount to zero because any penny he made beyond his retirement or SS would go towards whatever fines and judgments are levied against him, for the rest of his life.

So, I vote for no prison. I want his crazy, stupid, malicious ass on full display for anyone who wants to ride by his split-level ranch and honk their horn and laugh.

I think that he will always have followers and sycophants, no matter what happens to him. If your scenario came to pass, there would still be those who believed that he won the 2020 election and will contribute to a GoFundMe campaign to help him make house payments. Many of those will be people who can't really afford it, but there will be some rich people and politicians who will stroke his eqo and feed his belly.

Oh no, part of my fantasy is that any and all assets, current and future, are seized to pay off his fines and debts.

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:23 pm Oh no, part of my fantasy is that any and all assets, current and future, are seized to pay off his fines and debts.

W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:14 am How long until Melania pulls the ripcord on the pre-nup?

LM K wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:32 pm He will be furious to be reduced to a bald, pasty, elderly guy in an orange jumpsuit. (Scotts cannot pull off orange.)