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Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:59 pm
by Suranis
MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:57 pm
The article - which I did not quote in its entirety - stated that a half dozen participants tweeted that Biden had done a good job. What I did quote above stated that THREE participants were concerned about Biden's rambling and his appearing to get lost while talking.
Yea, Mea Culpa I missed it was three people.
RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:54 pm
re: passing the torch:
Please some speculation that if Joe Biden were to step down now and Kamela Harris takes over, what would her chances be for reelection in November?
The press owners wouldn't be pushing for Biden to get out if they thought Harris had a chance in hell.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:03 pm
by Res Ipsa
RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:54 pm
Please some speculation that if Joe Biden were to step down now and Kamela Harris takes over, what would her chances be for reelection in November?
You mean step down as president, or simply step down as candidate?
Because, again, if the alternative is to run Harris as the candidate, I don't see the point. If he steps down as president at some later date, she will be the president anyway.
So if the point is that he is qualified to be president at this time, but will not be qualified to be president at some indefinite point in time in the next term, then Ms. Harris becomes the president without having to go through these gyrations.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:27 pm
by Uninformed
“Biden suffering Covid infection, White House says”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gj8314nqo
“Joe Biden has tested positive for Covid-19 and is suffering mild symptoms, the White House has said.
Karine Jean-Pierre, his press secretary, said the president is vaccinated and boosted. He has had Covid twice before.
Mr Biden, 81, was seen earlier on Wednesday visiting supporters in Las Vegas and speaking at an event. He has cancelled a campaign speech in the city tonight.
The illness comes as he faces increasing pressure to step aside because of his age following a poor debate performance at the end of June.
This is a developing story.”
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:28 pm
by neonzx
Annie Linskey
@AnnieLinskey
From Biden's doctor: "The President presented this afternoon with upper respiratory symptoms, to include rhinorhea (runny nose) and non-productive cough, with general malaise."
6:22 PM · Jul 17, 2024
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Biden plans to return from his trip to Nevada and "self-isolate" in Delaware, per the White House.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:00 am
by Luke
I haven’t been watching the GOP Convention, but I did catch JD's speech tonight. It was well-constructed but rather generic, especially considering his rich story. His delivery was flat, and it’s clear the impeached felon has neutered him on all his policy positions (to be fair, as all VP's are), which won’t be missed except by the MAGA crowd.
But gosh -- seeing that Nancy Pelosi is alleged to be lowering the boom along with Schumer and Jeffries could be game-changing. They have access to far more data than we do. Pelosi's office is playing it down, but Rachel Bade is a well-respected reporter.
President Biden just can't catch a break—this is his third time catching COVID. My parents around his age were significantly affected by just one bout of it.
I have immense love and respect for President Biden; he's been a hugely consequential president. Similarly, I believe Nancy Pelosi has been the most consequential Speaker in US history.
I do think that having this happen this week is a wash; this is GOP week and it's always a fallacy that an opposing party can get traction during a party convention. However, this issue needs to be resolved quickly. With Black women as a cornerstone of the Democratic Party, any notion of skipping over the first Black VP for a nominee seems both suicidal and impractical. If President Biden steps down by choice, I can see the enthusiasm and upsides for VP Harris, if nothing else, for stability and bringing "new" energy.
We all know how important it is to win this election. I'd like President BIden to stay in the race, but it's been three weeks and we've gotten nowhere. If money is drying up as reported, it's a huge problem. Sigh.
As Foggy would say:
Pelosi told Biden: You’re dragging down Democrats
An ally of the former House speaker said she would do “everything in her power” to get Biden off the Democratic ticket.
By RACHAEL BADE 07/17/2024 11:56 PM EDT
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told President Joe Biden last week that she and other Democratic lawmakers worry that he’s dragging down the party, in an extraordinarily candid confrontation that came amid mounting pressure on Biden to end his reelection campaign. Pelosi also warned Biden that some Democratic lawmakers would start to grow louder in their griping about his political weaknesses, according to two people close to Pelosi. She urged the president to make a decision about stepping down soon.
One Pelosi ally said it was possible she would press Biden publicly to give up his spot atop the Democratic ticket. “The speaker does not want to call on him to resign, but she will do everything in her power to make sure it happens,” this person said, referring to Biden quitting the race. A second Pelosi ally put her calculus in blunt terms. “There’s nothing subtle about Nancy,” this person said. “She starts with the question: ‘What’s it take to win?’ Then works backwards.”
The exchange between Biden and Pelosi underscores a new and increasingly public phase of the push to remove Biden from the Democratic ticket. Senior Democrats had hoped to address this matter privately — Pelosi, herself, certainly advised members to try to do so, at least for a time.
So far, Biden and his inner circle have refused to yield. Now, they’re facing leaks left and right that keep the president on the defensive. News of Pelosi’s conversation with Biden was first reported by CNN. It emerged hours after ABC News reported that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries told Biden, in two separate conversations, that it would be best for the country for him to end his campaign. POLITICO reported Wednesday evening that both Schumer and Jeffries had conveyed to Biden that they were deeply concerned about his effect on Democrats’ ability to win control of Congress.
Pelosi’s office in a statement said she had not spoken to Biden since returning to California on Friday — and questioned the reporting about her conversation with the president. “These sources are not good sources,” her spokesperson said. White House spokesperson Andrew Bates merely said: “Biden is the nominee of the party… plans to win, and looks forward to working with congressional Democrats to pass his 100 days agenda to help working families.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/1 ... s-00169317
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:45 pm
by RVInit
If this was already posted, I apologize for the double post. We seem to have another thread that has devolved into "should he/ shouldn't he" discussion, but I still am going to post this here and not in the other thread.
I think this is a measured, sober discussion and a bit of history.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... t-00166065
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:53 pm
by RVInit
Off Topic
Also, as long as we are mentioning Pelosi, I have always been a proud supporter of Nancy Pelosi, and was impressed and happy with her decision to pass the baton of leadership in the House on to very capable hands. But I was disappointed that she decided to run for her seat again. I think it's time we started pressuring Democrats my age and older to please start identifying and "grooming" younger people to take over. For crying out loud she could retire and live quite nicely in that gorgeous house with all the money she accumulated making great investment decisions all these years (we don't necessarily need to go there, do we?)
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:55 pm
by Luke
Absolutely, RV, we're at a pivotal moment in history. America's 250th anniversary is on the horizon, and the next president will lead us through this significant milestone. Hate we're in this position, but we must play the cards we've been dealt.
Posted a poll thread: Who should Kamala Harris choose as her VP if President Biden steps down?
https://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2648
Based on reported factors like polling, public statements, donor hesitations, and concerns over President Biden's health (including his third bout of COVID), there's speculation he may be considering stepping down. In my opinion, snubbing Kamala Harris for the presidential nomination would be a bad move—messy, risky, and disrespectful to VP Harris and the Democratic base. "First, do no harm."
Given these circumstances, who would make the best Vice Presidential choice? Typically, selecting a VP nominee involves several strategic factors. Here's what I believe are the typical considerations:
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:38 pm
by Luke
Gosh.
Obama tells allies Biden’s path to winning reelection has greatly diminished
The former president, hugely influential in the party, has told associates that Biden’s path to victory has significantly shrunk.
By Tyler Pager and Michael Scherer July 18, 2024 at 12:05 p.m. EDT
Former president Barack Obama has told allies in recent days that President Biden’s path to victory has greatly diminished and he thinks the president needs to seriously consider the viability of his candidacy, according to multiple people briefed on his thinking. Obama has spoken with Biden only once since the debate, and he has been clear in his conversations with others that the future of Biden’s candidacy is a decision for the president to make. He has emphasized that his concern is protecting Biden and his legacy, and has pushed back against the idea that he alone can influence Biden’s decision-making process.
Behind the scenes, Obama has been deeply engaged in conversations about the future of Biden’s campaign, taking calls from many anxious Democrats, including former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and has shared his views about the president’s challenges, according to people with knowledge of the calls, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. A spokesperson for Obama declined to comment. Obama sees his role as a sounding board and counselor to his former vice president, telling allies that he feels protective of Biden. In these conversations, Obama has said he thinks Biden has been a great president and wants to protect his accomplishments, which could be in jeopardy if Republicans control the White House and both chambers of Congress next year. In some conversations, Obama, who has long looked to data for political insights, has told people he is concerned that the polls are moving away from Biden, that former president Donald Trump’s electoral path is expanding and that donors are abandoning the president.
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Obama, perhaps the party’s most revered figure, has tried to keep a lower profile, hoping to draw on his longtime friendship with Biden, his former running mate and vice president. But Obama’s role as the leader of the party from 2008 to 2016 has made him a sounding board for concerns across the party. Former Obama advisers who continue to comment publicly on politics, from his counselor David Axelrod to a group of more junior aides who now run the Crooked Media podcast company, are among the most vocal Democrats arguing that Biden may no longer have a path to victory.
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The Post previously reported that Obama has shared concerns about Biden’s path forward after the debate and that the two presidents spoke in the days after. But in the weeks since, Obama’s concerns about Biden’s candidacy have only grown deeper, the people familiar with the matter said. Meanwhile, some of Biden’s aides have fumed about Obama’s role in these conversations, blaming him for not keeping the party united behind Biden’s candidacy. After the debate, Obama posted a supportive message on social media for Biden. “Bad debate nights happen,” Obama wrote. “Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself.”
Since then, Obama has largely been silent publicly. But Biden aides say Obama could have stopped Academy Award-winning actor George Clooney, a close friend of the former president, from writing an op-ed in the New York Times that called on Biden to drop out of the presidential race. Movie mogul Jeffrey Katzenberg, a top Biden campaign official, sought to stop Clooney, a longtime friend of his, from publishing the piece but was unsuccessful, according to a person familiar with his outreach.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... viability/
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:28 pm
by Suranis
But Biden aides say Obama could have stopped Academy Award-winning actor George Clooney...
Ah I love it when Obama's magic mind control eye beams come up. Its so 2009-2016
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:46 pm
by bob
If reality was Game of Cards or House of Thrones, Biden would have resigned on January 21, 2023 (to permit President Harris to serve 10 years).
But he didn't, so he won't.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:05 pm
by MN-Skeptic
bob wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:46 pm
If reality was
Game of Cards or
House of Thrones, Biden would have resigned on January 21, 2023 (to permit
President Harris to serve 10 years).
But he didn't, so he won't.
Ahhh... but if Biden runs again and is re-elected, he could resign on January 21,
2027 and that would allow
President Harris to serve 10 years!
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:54 am
by Ben-Prime
My final take on this all is basically this:
Anyone calling for Biden to drop out has to sign a sworn oath that *no matter who* gets decided as the replacement, they have to show up. Not just vote. But support full-throatedly the way they would have supported whoever else their chosen candidate was and then some. They have to donate. They have to rally. They have to knock doors. They have to do everything they can to make sure whover the chosen replacement is -- WHOEVER, the chosen replacement is, whether more to the right, more to the left, or more doggedly centrist -- has their full and unvarnished support, no matter how disappointed they are that their personal replacement candidate didn't make it. They can not utter a single negative word about being disappointed, about the things their chosen replacement candidate would have done better, or how the new Biden-replacement just isn't right for them.
Because anything else is just a recipe for disaster. Ain't no such thing as a mini-primary these days; so you're asking to compress a nearly 2 year process of romancing an entire wave of candidates until the last one is standing. We did that already. It was President Unca Joe. Folks don't like how it happened. But it happened.
Note, i'm aware that the sworn oath thing ain't gonna happen. That was kinda my point.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:55 am
by p0rtia
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:08 am
by RVInit
p0rtia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:55 am![Yeah That :yeahthat:](./images/smilies/yeahthat.gif)
Also agree. As a person actually out in the trenches - it would sure be a hell of a lot of help if people who are so vehemently posting anger here on this forum - how many doors have you knocked on? How many phone calls have you made? Personally. Yourself. Not just talking to like minded folk, but actually putting yourself out there talking to people and getting doors slammed in your face?
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:17 pm
by Dr. Ken
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:24 pm
by pipistrelle
And likely few were thinking that before the media and celebrities planted it.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:33 pm
by poplove
Very interesting thread.
@ericgarland
The new "Pass the Torch" ads trying to get Joe Biden to quit are financed by a former FEC violator. Messaging is done by a cryptocurrency ad agency.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:00 pm
by neonzx
Joe's out.
![Image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTB11JnW8AAhCDP?format=png&name=large)
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:00 pm
by MN-Skeptic
Fuck.
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:02 pm
by Dr. Ken
Well they're definitely going to lose now
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:09 pm
by Sam the Centipede
The Guardian's headline writer (remember, sub-editors write headlines, not article authors) identifies the debate as the prompt:
Joe Biden withdraws from presidential race following debate debacle
A bit that intrigued this non-participant:
In an interview with BET last week, Biden indicated that he had initially expected to serve one term, as many voters expected, recalling a pledge he made during the 2020 campaign to be a “bridge” to the next generation of Democratic leaders.
“I was going to be a transitional candidate, and I thought I would be able to move on from this and pass it on to somebody else,” the president told BET. “But I didn’t anticipate things getting so, so, so divided.”
Still, in recent days, Biden had stepped up the praise of his vice-president, emphasizing her readiness to serve.
![I'm Thinking :think:](./images/smilies/think.gif)
Where was that transitional planning? By the party, or by the president?
Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:09 pm
by much ado
We haven't lost until we've lost.
7/21: Biden "Stands Down". Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:12 pm
by Dr. Ken
And don't expect the gop not to sue and ratfuck to keep him on the ballot
7/21: Biden "Stands Down". Should (Will?) President Joe Biden Drop Out of the 2024 Presidential Race? Poll & Editorials
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:16 pm
by Luke
Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney 4m
We’re living through one of the most unfathomably insane months in political history.
CNN and MSNBC if you don't have cable:
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