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Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:50 pm
by pipistrelle
They kill women in labor and newborns. We save them.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:58 pm
by johnpcapitalist
raison de arizona wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:21 am Hope they like flying domestically with their stolen planes.
It'll be fun to see how they cope with the lack of spare parts. Even more fun, they're not going to do well because the maintenance manuals are all hosted in the cloud, and we turned off access to them. There are no paper manuals any longer. Maintenance logs are also online. So the lessors and manufacturers will know that a plane has been flown without proper maintenance, which will destroy the resale value for each plane that doesn't have certified maintenance. And the Russian carriers will be liable for that. If they don't pay the lessors, good luck buying any airplanes from the west in the future.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:50 pm
by Phoenix520
Terry Gross’s interview today with Masha Gessen, Russian -American writer for New Yorker, is stellar. I’m out and about will try to link later.

I appreciate terrys comment at the beginning of the interview: Masha Gessen goes by the pronouns they/them.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:13 pm
by raison de arizona
Phoenix520 wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:50 pm Terry Gross’s interview today with Masha Gessen, Russian -American writer for New Yorker, is stellar. I’m out and about will try to link later.

I appreciate terrys comment at the beginning of the interview: Masha Gessen goes by the pronouns they/them.
Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup: . Will give a listen when I get a chance later.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:17 pm
by Foggy
johnpcapitalist wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:58 pm If they don't pay the lessors, good luck buying any airplanes from the west in the future.
How the hell are they going to pay? With rubles worth less than 5% what they were worth before the war? With money the billionaires stole from the army and the general treasury? With loans from any other country in the civilized world? By selling oil nobody will buy? No, wait, if they sell any oil the billionaires will steal that money too.

They probably can't even pay for the spare parts you mention. I can't see them ever paying what the lessors will want in order to ever sell another plane to a Russian again. The planes will fly for a little while, and then one will crash, and then they'll all be left on airfields to rot.

Or not, of course. :shrug:

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:50 pm
by keith
johnpcapitalist wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:58 pm
raison de arizona wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:21 am Hope they like flying domestically with their stolen planes.
It'll be fun to see how they cope with the lack of spare parts. Even more fun, they're not going to do well because the maintenance manuals are all hosted in the cloud, and we turned off access to them. There are no paper manuals any longer. Maintenance logs are also online. So the lessors and manufacturers will know that a plane has been flown without proper maintenance, which will destroy the resale value for each plane that doesn't have certified maintenance. And the Russian carriers will be liable for that. If they don't pay the lessors, good luck buying any airplanes from the west in the future.
Nobody will notice the dip in Aeroflot reliability.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:55 pm
by raison de arizona
:rotflmao:

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:01 pm
by sad-cafe
Kriselda Gray wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:07 pm
raison de arizona wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:45 pm
The Board of FIFe feels it cannot just witness these atrocities and do nothing, so it decided that as of 01.03.2022:
● No cat bred in Russia may be imported and registered in any FIFe pedigree book outside Russia, regardless of, which organization issued its pedigree.
● No cat belonging to exhibitors living in Russia may be entered at any FIFe show outside Russia, regardless of, which organization these exhibitors hold their membership in.
These restrictions are valid until 31.05.2022 and will be reviewed as and when necessary.
http://www1.fifeweb.org/wp/news/
I just hope that this doesn't result in any harm to cats whose breeders may now consider them valueless if they can't sell or show them...

My daughter's Frenchie has a Ukrainian passport

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:12 am
by Volkonski

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:16 am
by Volkonski

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:49 am
by Lani
I'm glad he's our president.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:39 am
by Azastan
sad-cafe wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:01 pm
Kriselda Gray wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:07 pm
I just hope that this doesn't result in any harm to cats whose breeders may now consider them valueless if they can't sell or show them...

My daughter's Frenchie has a Ukrainian passport
There's a well-known Arabian breeder who also breeds Pembroke Welsh Corgis, many of which have sires/dams imported from Russia.

I've been wondering if AKC, UKC, and any other registries will be banning the showing and registration of Russian-bred dogs.

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:56 am
by raison de arizona
Azastan wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:39 am There's a well-known Arabian breeder who also breeds Pembroke Welsh Corgis, many of which have sires/dams imported from Russia.

I've been wondering if AKC, UKC, and any other registries will be banning the showing and registration of Russian-bred dogs.
An Update on AKC and the Crisis in Ukraine
By Jessica Rice
Mar 10, 2022 | 1 Minute

The American Kennel Club is opposed to the ongoing crisis in the Ukraine. In solidarity with the Ukrainian people, effective immediately, judges from the Russian Federation will not be approved to judge at AKC sanctioned events. Additionally, new requests for imported dog registrations (AKC Foreign Registration) from the Russian Kennel Federation will be denied effective immediately.

We continue to explore options to provide assistance to the Ukrainian people and their pets during this crisis.

The AKC and AKC Reunite have donated $25,000 to Equiwent https://www.equiwent.org/, a German organization with operations in Poland and Romania. Equiwent is assisting in the humanitarian effort by helping with the Ukrainian refugees and their pets. Clubs and fanciers may donate to the cause by using this Equiwent link.

In addition the AKC Store is also selling “Peace for Ukraine” apparel with all proceeds going to Casa lui Patrocle animal rescue, located 25 miles outside of the Ukraine offering shelter, veterinary care and emergency assistance to anyone crossing the border with pets. This fundraiser will remain active for the entire month of March. To date, $15,000 is being donated.
https://www.akc.org/press-releases/upda ... s-ukraine/

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:52 pm
by Chilidog

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:20 pm
by Azastan
raison de arizona wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:56 am
Azastan wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:39 am There's a well-known Arabian breeder who also breeds Pembroke Welsh Corgis, many of which have sires/dams imported from Russia.

I've been wondering if AKC, UKC, and any other registries will be banning the showing and registration of Russian-bred dogs.
An Update on AKC and the Crisis in Ukraine
By Jessica Rice
Mar 10, 2022 | 1 Minute

The American Kennel Club is opposed to the ongoing crisis in the Ukraine. In solidarity with the Ukrainian people, effective immediately, judges from the Russian Federation will not be approved to judge at AKC sanctioned events. Additionally, new requests for imported dog registrations (AKC Foreign Registration) from the Russian Kennel Federation will be denied effective immediately.

We continue to explore options to provide assistance to the Ukrainian people and their pets during this crisis.

The AKC and AKC Reunite have donated $25,000 to Equiwent https://www.equiwent.org/, a German organization with operations in Poland and Romania. Equiwent is assisting in the humanitarian effort by helping with the Ukrainian refugees and their pets. Clubs and fanciers may donate to the cause by using this Equiwent link.

In addition the AKC Store is also selling “Peace for Ukraine” apparel with all proceeds going to Casa lui Patrocle animal rescue, located 25 miles outside of the Ukraine offering shelter, veterinary care and emergency assistance to anyone crossing the border with pets. This fundraiser will remain active for the entire month of March. To date, $15,000 is being donated.
https://www.akc.org/press-releases/upda ... s-ukraine/
Well, at least the AKC is (and her dogs are registered with the AKC).

There are several charities set up for assisting people with their horses. They have not forgotten what happened with Russians and horses during World War II.

Many Arabian breeders still mourn the loss of several foundation Arabians which went missing or died during forced marchs, either to escape the Russians, or because the Russians captured them and moved them to Russia.

General Patton not only rescued the Lipizzanners of the Spanish Riding School, he incidently rescued over 100 purebred Arabians.

https://www.historynet.com/patton-rescu ... stallions/

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:49 pm
by Volkonski

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:53 pm
by Volkonski
Russian lies. Need stronger sanctions.


Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:14 am
by Lani
:snippity:
An Update on AKC and the Crisis in Ukraine
By Jessica Rice
Mar 10, 2022 | 1 Minute

:snippity:
We continue to explore options to provide assistance to the Ukrainian people and their pets during this crisis.

The AKC and AKC Reunite have donated $25,000 to Equiwent https://www.equiwent.org/, a German organization with operations in Poland and Romania. Equiwent is assisting in the humanitarian effort by helping with the Ukrainian refugees and their pets. Clubs and fanciers may donate to the cause by using this Equiwent link.

In addition the AKC Store is also selling “Peace for Ukraine” apparel with all proceeds going to Casa lui Patrocle animal rescue, located 25 miles outside of the Ukraine offering shelter, veterinary care and emergency assistance to anyone crossing the border with pets. This fundraiser will remain active for the entire month of March. To date, $15,000 is being donated.
https://www.akc.org/press-releases/upda ... s-ukraine/
Here's the link for the "Peace for Ukraine" apparel: https://shop.akc.org/collections/gifts-for-humans

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:15 pm
by bill_g
So, how long before Putin can't make payroll for his soldiers? How long before the bread lines form in the cities? How long before there are fuel shortages?

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:42 pm
by Slim Cognito
Also too, what happens when Putin has repairs made to the commercial airliners using only genuine Russian parts (and mechanics)?

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:18 pm
by neonzx
We've heard of all the countries and corporations that are squeezing Russia. Which ones of prominence are are still licking Putin's footwear?

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:45 pm
by Volkonski

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:58 pm
by Volkonski

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:01 pm
by Phoenix520
Watch, this will turn Russia’s youth against Putin.
Good move! :thumbsup:

Re: Sanctions and Support

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:56 pm
by Slim Cognito
Can they get Playstation 5s in Russia? We sure as hell can't get them here, unless you want to pay black market prices. And I've been trying. I have the 2, 3 and 4 (with VR). That said, I say stop all video game and console sales for just that very reason. Are you paying attention Nintendo and Microsoft?