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Phew! I was getting nervous.

One day before SUPER TUESDAY! March 4, 2024. T****'s impassioned pleas for a later dated DENNNIED. Judge said she spoke to the NY judge to discuss the dates. That call must have been epic. We're going to need a calendar soon

CHICAGO: Nowadays...

It's good, isn't it?
Grand, isn't it?
Great, isn't it?
Swell, isn't it?
Fun, isn't it?
Nowadays

There's men, everywhere
Jazz, everywhere
Booze, everywhere
Life, everywhere
Joy, everywhere
Nowadays

You can like the life you're living
You can live the life you like
You can even marry Harry
But mess around with Ike
And that's

Good, isn't it?
Grand, isn't it?
Great, isn't it?
Swell, isn't it?
Fun, isn't it...

Roxie and Velma:
You can like the life you're living
You can live the life you like
You can even marry Harry
But mess around with Ike
And that's
Good, isn't it?
Grand, isn't it?
Great, isn't it?
Swell, isn't it?
Fun, isn't it?
But nothing stays

In fifty years or so
It's gonna change, you know
But, oh, it's heaven
Nowadays

And that's
Good, isn't it?
Grand, isn't it?
Great, isn't it?
Swell, isn't it?
Fun, isn't it?
But nothing stays

In fifty years or so
It's gonna change, you know
But, oh, it's heaven
Nowadays

@Brandi_Buchman's posts from the hearing on Threadreader.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1696 ... 96758.html

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:42 am One day before SUPER TUESDAY! March 4, 2024. T****'s impassioned pleas for a later dated DENNNIED. Judge said she spoke to the NY judge to discuss the dates. That call must have been epic. We're going to need a calendar soon

Epic, but not 'perfect'.

Trump will do everything he can to delay it.

March 5 is Super Tuesday.

And my dad's 96th birthday.

I loved it when the Molly Gaston used Lauro's TV blabbings about the case against him.

One Twitter poster suggested that if Trump's lawyers hadn't been so outrageous and asked for a trial date two years in the future, they might have gotten a date other then one six months from now.

Edited to add text -

Andrew Weissmann's comment: "Thoroughly unprofessional statement by Lauro" to Lauro's statement: "We will certainly abide by your honor's ruling, as we must. We will not be able to provide adequate representation ... the trial date will deny President Trump the opportunity to have effective assistance of counsel."

Sounds like the perfect lie errrrr excuse for trump losing in court.

Maybe he just sucks at lawyering.

You have 6 months to hammer your clients mouth shut, Councillor. and beat some sense into his brain. I think you can find way to buy a hammer.

Anyway Axios has a stab at a timeline

So this "not enough time" will certainly be an issue on appeal when (not if) he lands some convictions.

Can the AALs fill us in on what the parameters of "not enough time" look like legally?

tek wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:25 pm So this "not enough time" will certainly be an issue on appeal when (not if) he lands some convictions.

Generally speaking, appellate courts will review the amount of pretrial preparation permitted, and the denial of continuances, for an abuse of discretion. Which is a high bar; appellate courts regularly defer to a trial court's discretion.

So if there is an appeal, expect this to be raised (and lose).

Every defendant has the right to effective counsel, and the inability to prepare is a very legitimate ground. But a lawyer who intentionally creates delay (by intentionally not preparing) can be removed from the case, sanctioned, referred for discipline, etc.

And no real lawyer wants a court to rule their representation was ineffective.*

But this is not an ordinary case; maybe one of these chuckleheads can be convinced to torpedo their legal career and go full And-Justice-For-All, just to create enough delay.

E.g.:

Defense counsel is playing to the cheap seats. In a regular case, zealously advocate, sure. But make your record and move on.


* It does happen, though; some true believers will say out loud, "I don't care if I'm found to be incompetent if it spares my client from [the likely sentence]." But you only get to say that if you are (1) very certain you are correct, or (2) very certain you are about to retire and don't care.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:55 pm Sounds like the perfect lie errrrr excuse for trump losing in court.

The trial is rigged!

Surely Lauro was laying the ground for a future appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel and perhaps he is so stoopid that he doesn't understand how being that provider of ineffective counsel will drop on him and the flaming ashes of his reputation.

Well, Lauro is stoopid enough to be Trump's attorney, so I think it's almost impossible for us rational folk to appreciate what happens inside his underpowered misfiring brainbox.

Text from the above tweet -

UPDATE: We have the full trial schedule from Chutkan

Oct. 9: Pretrial motions
Dec. 4: 404b evidence
Dec. 11: Disclosure of expert witnesses
Dec. 18: Disclosure of exhibits
Dec. 27: Motions in limine
Jan. 15: Proposed voir dire questions/jury instructions

Marc Elias' comment: "Dec. 4 is going to be a day to watch. 404b is evidence of other crimes, wrongs, or acts."

The quadfectee will pull a Brunson and grift off the inevitable appeals.

And unless a stay is granted (hint: that won't happen), the trial remains on the schedule (unless the trial judge changes it).

Is anybody else just sick to death of all this?

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:31 pm Is anybody else just sick to death of all this?

Beyond the telling of it.

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:31 pm Is anybody else just sick to death of all this?

Way past expiration. So waiting until all of these threads can be combined into one "Inmate #xxxx"

The question, though, becomes, do we start having other threads for each, or some combination thereof, of the fellow indicted co-conspirators?

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:31 pm Is anybody else just sick to death of all this?

I was sick to death of it in 2016.