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Kendra wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:50 pm

NEW from
@gridnews
: A dizzying number of January 6 figures are tied to a network of MAGA groups -- that all appear to operate from the same Capitol Hill townhouse.

Meet the Insurrectionists' clubhouse:

Sarah Matthews, who served as deputy press secretary in the Trump White House until resigning shortly after the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, has been subpoenaed by the House select committee investigating the insurrection and has agreed to testify at an upcoming hearing, according to two sources with knowledge of the investigation.

Matthews has been subpoenaed to testify at a public hearing as early as next week, sources tell CNN.

Matthews resigned the night of January 6, 2021, saying in a statement that she was honored to serve in then-President Donald Trump’s administration but “was deeply disturbed by what I saw.” She added: “Our nation needs a peaceful transfer of power.

NEWS: Deal for Cipollone to testify on Friday in transcribed interview, per person briefed on the matter.

Source familiar says Cipollone's Friday interview will be videotaped

RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:23 pm

neeneko wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:36 pm

johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:42 pm But I think these protocols won't necessarily reduce the amount of death threats made. Cheap prepaid burner phones don't require proof of ID the way that regular monthly service does. And certain VOIP network (Skype is an example of this sort of network) also don't require positive identification to get the service.

If such a service became available, it would have to be something implemented at the reciver's telco level, some kind of 'blanket reject calls that do not meet XYZ criteria', so if they come from an easily spoofed source, they would get blocked.

noblepa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:59 pm

neeneko wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:36 pm

johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:42 pm But I think these protocols won't necessarily reduce the amount of death threats made. Cheap prepaid burner phones don't require proof of ID the way that regular monthly service does. And certain VOIP network (Skype is an example of this sort of network) also don't require positive identification to get the service.

If such a service became available, it would have to be something implemented at the reciver's telco level, some kind of 'blanket reject calls that do not meet XYZ criteria', so if they come from an easily spoofed source, they would get blocked.

I am not a telco expert, either, but it seems to me that the originating telco MUST know the real phone number of the caller. Otherwise, how would they bill the user? So, that is where the spoofing must occur. It seems to me that the originating telco could simply send the originating caller's number, rather than some random number that the caller chooses.

I have heard arguments that spoofing is necessary and has legitimate purposes. One reason given is an outside salesman for a company who uses his/her own cell phone for business. By spoofing the originating number as the Company's number, rather than his own, the company's name and number appear on the recipient's phone. I believe that there are other ways of accomplishing this. For example, having the salesman call a secure number at the company that relays the call.

I'm not against the ability of the caller to block caller id. I am against the caller lying to me, which is what spoofing is. I once got a call from my own phone, which I don't believe is possible. If caller id is blocked, the recipient still has the option to decline to answer.

I don't understand why a law could not be passed mandating that the originating telco supply the REAL phone number of the caller, unless the caller has blocked caller id.

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:30 pm I know I've done it for business because usually people will pick up if it's a local number calling.

neeneko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:06 pm

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:30 pm I know I've done it for business because usually people will pick up if it's a local number calling.

Heh. I actually use the opposite as a filter. I don't know anyone in my area code, so any 'local' call is going to be spam.

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:30 pm Some services exist to say spoof your number to the local area code of where you're calling. I know I've done it for business because usually people will pick up if it's a local number calling. Also NYC numbers seem to get a high response rate or DC area codes. There's also a calling card you can buy where you can spoof any number. I used to do it to friends and just spoof 666 as my number.

noblepa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:40 pm

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:30 pm Some services exist to say spoof your number to the local area code of where you're calling. I know I've done it for business because usually people will pick up if it's a local number calling. Also NYC numbers seem to get a high response rate or DC area codes. There's also a calling card you can buy where you can spoof any number. I used to do it to friends and just spoof 666 as my number.

I don't know what business you're in, but if someone attempts to begin a business relationship with me by lying (and that's exactly what spoofing is), I don't want to have anything to do with them or their business.

I simply don't answer any call from a number I don't know, even if it is local. Most of these calls don't bother to leave a message. Occasionally, one does leave a message. If the call is on my land line (yes, I still have one) I can listen as they speak. Once in a great while, it is someone I want to talk to and i will pick it up. Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to screen calls on a cell phone.

NEW: Jan. 6 committee members Jamie Raskin and Stephanie Murphy will lead Tuesday hearing on Trump sending extremist groups to DC and pinpointing the 6th, and Elaine Luria and Adam Kinzinger will lead expected Thursday primetime hearing on inside the WH during the Capitol attack.

INTO THE FEVER SWAMP — A federal judge noted in February that there’s no evidence former President Donald Trump ever met or plotted with a Proud Boy or an Oath Keeper. But some conspiracies, he added, can be “tacit.”

The Jan. 6 select committee’s next hearing is expected to delve deeply into that relationship, exploring all the subtle signaling between Trump’s orbit and the seamy underworld of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers that prosecutors and congressional investigators have been probing.

Until now, the select committee has focused its public hearings on the high-level plotting by Trump to seize a second term by deploying an army of loyalist lawyers to promote fringe constitutional theories. On Tuesday, the committee will instead plunge into conspiracy-driven fever swamp, where groups like the Proud Boys flourished and strategized openly ahead of Jan. 6.

The hearing is unlikely to produce explicit evidence of Trump’s approval of the groups’ tactics or plans, but the more important concept, according to Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), is “convergence.”

“Our investigation shows that there was a tremendous convergence of interests between the domestic violent extremist groups and the broader MAGA movement,” Raskin, who will lead next week’s hearing, told Nightly in an interview. “This hearing will be the moment when one sees both the convergence of efforts at a political coup with the insurrectionary mob violence. We see how these two streams of activity become one.”

noblepa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:40 pm

I simply don't answer any call from a number I don't know, even if it is local. Most of these calls don't bother to leave a message. Occasionally, one does leave a message. If the call is on my land line (yes, I still have one) I can listen as they speak. Once in a great while, it is someone I want to talk to and i will pick it up. Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to screen calls on a cell phone.

noblepa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:59 pm

neeneko wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:36 pm

johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:42 pm But I think these protocols won't necessarily reduce the amount of death threats made. Cheap prepaid burner phones don't require proof of ID the way that regular monthly service does. And certain VOIP network (Skype is an example of this sort of network) also don't require positive identification to get the service.

If such a service became available, it would have to be something implemented at the reciver's telco level, some kind of 'blanket reject calls that do not meet XYZ criteria', so if they come from an easily spoofed source, they would get blocked.

I am not a telco expert, either, but it seems to me that the originating telco MUST know the real phone number of the caller. Otherwise, how would they bill the user? So, that is where the spoofing must occur. It seems to me that the originating telco could simply send the originating caller's number, rather than some random number that the caller chooses.

I have heard arguments that spoofing is necessary and has legitimate purposes. One reason given is an outside salesman for a company who uses his/her own cell phone for business. By spoofing the originating number as the Company's number, rather than his own, the company's name and number appear on the recipient's phone. I believe that there are other ways of accomplishing this. For example, having the salesman call a secure number at the company that relays the call.

I'm not against the ability of the caller to block caller id. I am against the caller lying to me, which is what spoofing is. I once got a call from my own phone, which I don't believe is possible. If caller id is blocked, the recipient still has the option to decline to answer.

I don't understand why a law could not be passed mandating that the originating telco supply the REAL phone number of the caller, unless the caller has blocked caller id.

keith wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:12 pm

noblepa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:40 pm

I simply don't answer any call from a number I don't know, even if it is local. Most of these calls don't bother to leave a message. Occasionally, one does leave a message. If the call is on my land line (yes, I still have one) I can listen as they speak. Once in a great while, it is someone I want to talk to and i will pick it up. Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to screen calls on a cell phone.

Exactly. I do not answer my landline. If someone DOES want to talk to ME they will leave a message.

On occaision, I do pick up just by accident. If there is several seconds of silence while the computer tries to find an operator, then I hang up. I will not answer a computer generated call. If you want to take my time then you spend your time.

Rep. Liz Cheney said in June, “Our committee is certain that Donald Trump does not want Mr Cipollone to testify”

keith wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:12 pm

noblepa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:40 pm

I simply don't answer any call from a number I don't know, even if it is local. Most of these calls don't bother to leave a message. Occasionally, one does leave a message. If the call is on my land line (yes, I still have one) I can listen as they speak. Once in a great while, it is someone I want to talk to and i will pick it up. Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to screen calls on a cell phone.

Exactly. I do not answer my landline. If someone DOES want to talk to ME they will leave a message.

On occaision, I do pick up just by accident. If there is several seconds of silence while the computer tries to find an operator, then I hang up. I will not answer a computer generated call. If you want to take my time then you spend your time.