Re: January 6 Select Committee
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:06 pm
There was a photographer in one of those videos. She was aiming into the front passenger window, so there may be photos.
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As someone who didn’t see the testimony, it’s the only part of it I know about through repetition.RVInit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:53 pm In some ways I wish they had not elicited that part of her testimony. It's too easy for people to focus on that part where she's repeating what someone else says happened and forget that she personally heard Trump get furious over the fact that armed people were not allowed to get closer for the photo opp. And, knowing they were armed, deliberately fired them up, told them they have to "fight" for what they want, and encouraged them to go down to the Capitol. That is far more important than some second hand story that he grabbed at the steering wheel and then lunged at his SS. Which I actually do believe is more likely than not to be true, but that's beside the point.
I am reminded of Pence who knew that if he got into the vehicle, they would take him away despite his orders. Their job is the protect so there is no way they will drive him to an unsecured location. In addition, they are trained to resist an out-of-control subject, though they probably never expected that subject would also be their protectee.
Thank you for posting this, RV. It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking.RVInit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:53 pm In some ways I wish they had not elicited that part of her testimony. It's too easy for people to focus on that part where she's repeating what someone else says happened and forget that she personally heard Trump get furious over the fact that armed people were not allowed to get closer for the photo opp. And, knowing they were armed, deliberately fired them up, told them they have to "fight" for what they want, and encouraged them to go down to the Capitol. That is far more important than some second hand story that he grabbed at the steering wheel and then lunged at his SS. Which I actually do believe is more likely than not to be true, but that's beside the point.
Did I say I had feeling MAGA would regret banking their entire case to discredit Cassidy Hutchinson on the word of Trump loyalist Tony Ornato?
“The first source telling us that there were many people talking about the former president being very angry, lashing out at the individuals in the car and demanding to go to the capitol on that day, and that even that he lunged in the direction of the front seat”
I think this committee is trying to get as much information directly to the public (indirectly perhaps to the DOJ). Like a lot of criminal trials, much of the evidence is circumstantial. The more circumstantial evidence there is that points to a particular bad result, the more difficult it is to rebut or refute all those situations. Plausible deniability and coincidence can only get you so far...June bug wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:37 pmThank you for posting this, RV. It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking.RVInit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:53 pm In some ways I wish they had not elicited that part of her testimony. It's too easy for people to focus on that part where she's repeating what someone else says happened and forget that she personally heard Trump get furious over the fact that armed people were not allowed to get closer for the photo opp. And, knowing they were armed, deliberately fired them up, told them they have to "fight" for what they want, and encouraged them to go down to the Capitol. That is far more important than some second hand story that he grabbed at the steering wheel and then lunged at his SS. Which I actually do believe is more likely than not to be true, but that's beside the point.
Back in April, a law enforcement source told me that they heard DC Metropolitan Police officers affiliated with the presidential motorcade share a story of Trump demanding to be drive to the Capitol and getting into an altercation with Secret Service on January 6.
I assumed he thought he would go to the Capitol, walk in the front door with his supporters behind him and stop the proceedings which would somehow end up with him declared the winner of the election.AndyinPA wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm This just shows how far from reality his head is. I always thought him too much of a coward to go to the Capitol. He could not foresee how bad it could get, only that the weapons would never be used against him. He didn't really care about anyone else, and he was just too dumb to not realize what a dangerous situation it could become.
I can see him thinking that; hence, how far from reality his head is, but I still think of him as a coward.Shizzle Popped wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:48 pmI assumed he thought he would go to the Capitol, walk in the front door with his supporters behind him and stop the proceedings which would somehow end up with him declared the winner of the election.AndyinPA wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm This just shows how far from reality his head is. I always thought him too much of a coward to go to the Capitol. He could not foresee how bad it could get, only that the weapons would never be used against him. He didn't really care about anyone else, and he was just too dumb to not realize what a dangerous situation it could become.
This. A thousand times, this.MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:03 pm Trump sees himself as the hero in movie. I can absolutely believe he envisioned himself as standing on the top step of the Capitol, directing all of his followers to follow him in to the Capitol where they were counting votes. When he got to the chambers, the people in the chamber would see Trump and all of his followers and they would concede that, of course, Trump was the true winner of the election and they would HAVE to count the votes for HIM. So of course was furious when his grand plan was foiled by his own Secret Service and his own Vice President. They prevented his wonderful movie ending.
In this (long) clip, Belushi plays Trump....MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:03 pm Trump sees himself as the hero in movie. I can absolutely believe he envisioned himself as standing on the top step of the Capitol, directing all of his followers to follow him in to the Capitol where they were counting votes. When he got to the chambers, the people in the chamber would see Trump and all of his followers and they would concede that, of course, Trump was the true winner of the election and they would HAVE to count the votes for HIM. So of course was furious when his grand plan was foiled by his own Secret Service and his own Vice President. They prevented his wonderful movie ending.
The January 6th Hearings: A Criminal Evidence Tracker
Updated on June 30, 2022
By Noah Bookbinder, Norman L. Eisen, Fred Wertheimer, Jason Powell, Debra Perlin, Colby Galliher, and Madison Gee
An initial introduction to the Criminal Evidence Tracker is available at Just Security, as well as introductions to the second, third, fourth,
fifth and sixth updates following those respective hearings.
Criminal Evidence Tracker 1: Whether Donald Trump Conspired to Defraud the United States
By Norman Eisen, Noah Bookbinder, Fred Wertheimer, Jason Powell and Debra Perlin
18 U.S. Code § 371 – Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the United States
It is a criminal offense “f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the
United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the
object of the conspiracy.”
Elements of the Crime that Must be Proved Facts and Evidence
1. Two or more people entered into an agreement Donald Trump and John Eastman
● Attorney John Eastman communicated with Trump by phone and email through his assistant or agent about a plan to overturn the election results memorialized in two memoranda (here and here). A court recently found that “there was likely an agreement between President Trump and Dr. Eastman to enact a plan articulated” in the two memos.
Donald Trump and Jeffrey Clark
● In December 2020, Trump and Clark met in apparent violation of DOJ and White House policy to discuss allegations of election fraud and find ways to overturn the election results.
● Unlike the rest of DOJ’s leadership, Clark was sympathetic to Trump’s arguments, leading Trump to consider installing Clark as acting Attorney General - a plan Trump only abandoned in the face of threats of massive DOJ and White House Counsel resignations.
*sigh* I wish people would get this, as I've repeated this hundreds of times. It simply does not matter if they left it out or not. The enemy would have just focused on some other part of her testimony if that had been left out and would be yammering about that.June bug wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:37 pmThank you for posting this, RV. It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking.RVInit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:53 pm In some ways I wish they had not elicited that part of her testimony. It's too easy for people to focus on that part where she's repeating what someone else says happened and forget that she personally heard Trump get furious over the fact that armed people were not allowed to get closer for the photo opp. And, knowing they were armed, deliberately fired them up, told them they have to "fight" for what they want, and encouraged them to go down to the Capitol. That is far more important than some second hand story that he grabbed at the steering wheel and then lunged at his SS. Which I actually do believe is more likely than not to be true, but that's beside the point.
“Do you think the Mark Meadows you know would be capable of trying to intimidate a witness?”
“Without question. Boehner talks about an unnamed member of congress that literally got on his knees in the speaker's office and said, I beg you to forgive me. That's Mark Meadows.”