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Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:22 pm That gives some hope for Elmer being convicted with a DC jury.

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:35 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:22 pm That gives some hope for Elmer being convicted with a DC jury.

Maybe. Apparently the jury didn't buy, "oopsie, the gun went off accidentally" defense. Will see what the grounds for appeal are going to be. Otherwise, he gets prison time because he couldn't stand to see someone with a Biden flag.

Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 @RonFilipkowski wrote: At the Trump rally today, they talked about his work ethic as president: “He worked his butt off for years, averaging 6:00 AM mornings and 10:00 PM bedtime. He was up all day working crazy hours .. working on policy.”

The Definitive Guide to Helping People in the Cult of Trump

Under the right circumstances, even sane, rational, well-adjusted people can be deceived and persuaded to believe the most outrageous ideas and leader. President Trump uses the same deceptive psychological techniques that cult leaders do (cult leader’s playbook) that influence his devoted followers’ behavior, information, thoughts, and emotions. Some people are also unwilling to entertain the idea that Trump displays the characteristics of a cult leader (malignant narcissism). Very concerning is that some are so fervently devoted, they have cut off relationships with any that do not believe the same way as them, including close friends and even family.

Do you have friends or family members who are believers in the Cult of Trump? If you are concerned about their well-being, stop arguing, calling them names or cutting them off. Respectful, warm, regular communication will be the bridge for them to start thinking rationally. The “bubble” will burst and reality will dawn. (This happened to me when I was a Moonie.)

As a mental health counselor and former cult member with over forty years of experience helping people leave and recover from destructive cults, I have developed some strategic and helpful techniques that I wish to share below. It is essentially the same advice I give to families of people in Scientology, the Moonies, white power groups and other mind-control cults.

Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am Unfortunately, with some people, after 6 years of this nasty cultish behavior, their friends and families might not care anymore. I only had 1 in my in-law family ( he’s since seen the light) but after just 1 year I never wanted to see him again. It took over his whole being.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:24 pm
Concur. For some people, this is who they are now have always been. It's no longer about saving them.

Suranis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:13 pm No. Sorry. That's the easy answer. Anyone can be swept up in cults like this.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:02 am For me, the problem is scale. Scale changes everything.

There's an old joke, which I'm sure will offend at least one participant in this thread, that the only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of adherents it has. This joke works because it's true. Catholicism would be considered a cult if it consisted of a Pope, a Bishop, a couple of priests, and a few hundred followers; it's huge, so it lacks this issue.

We speak of Trumpism as a cult. But when Trumpism is even 20% of a party that is almost 50% of the United States -- and when you count the sympathizers, it's far more -- that literally means that 1 in 10 people in the United States are Trumpist. Then it's no longer a cult. It's larger than Judaism in the United States. It's a genuine religion.

The scale of dealing with it changes because it becomes far more difficult to isolate. Six years ago, five years ago, four years ago? I could see treating it like a cult -- the true believers were the same size or fewer, but the *sympathizers* were less fewer and less rigid. This is not the case anymore.

I no longer believe in 'saving' Trumpists because the scale has changed. Now, maybe the social realities of a global pandemic have also taught me that it's easier to isolate myself and bubble with a few trusted souls than be a social butterfly, but I no longer have the mental or emotional resources to bring myself to fight the larger scale and more difficult logistics of saving people against their will.

That's me, though. Other people can make that assessment of their own resources and inclinations.

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:53 pm

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:24 pm
Concur. For some people, this is who they are now have always been. It's no longer about saving them.

That's better...

Foggy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:10 am I think it's a lot more than 1 in 10. I think more like 3 in 10.

The birther movement was like that, too also.

But both movements are fading now, I suspect. The Trump cult, religion, whatever you call it, is shrinking now. People know he stole national secrets and hid them from the government. People know that he lost the 2020 election.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:02 am For me, the problem is scale. Scale changes everything.

There's an old joke, which I'm sure will offend at least one participant in this thread, that the only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of adherents it has. This joke works because it's true. Catholicism would be considered a cult if it consisted of a Pope, a Bishop, a couple of priests, and a few hundred followers; it's huge, so it lacks this issue.

Mr brolin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:52 am I was brought up all high Episopalian Anglo-Catholic, all the smells, all the bells, all them men in frocks, very little of the guilt.

The Tennessee Holler @TheTNHoller wrote: BUTLER COUNTY, OHIO: “My neighbor just shot my dad… because he thought he was a Democrat.”

The killer, 26, has been charged with murder. Anthony King was 43 years old.

Oliya Scootercaster @ScooterCasterNY wrote: #HAPPENINGNOW Trump Supporters chant "USA USA!" and STOMP on Governor Ron DeSantis flag outside of Trump Tower in NYC saying "TRUMP OR DEATH!"

Trump is scheduled to make a "Major Announcement" today at 9pm.

by Kevin RC Wilson @FreedomNTV

"We've been kind of on the downlow since January 6th, but I think that gets all erased tonight" - Dion Cini speaks of what Trump called a "very big announcement" scheduled for today at 9pm.

FULL STORY: https://freedomnews.tv/2022/11/15/prote ... ouncement/