Re: January 6 Select Committee
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:58 pm
It would be great to hear from Pence in front of the committee at this point.
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Well, that's a bummer.Ornato "denies telling Cassidy Hutchinson that the former president grabbed the steering wheel or an agent on his detail," CNN's Shimon Prokupecz tweeted, citing a Secret Service official.
Justin Ling @Justin_Ling wrote: "Things might get real, real bad on January 6."
-Mark Meadows, according to his former Chief of Staff Cassidy Hutchinson, a few days earlier.
Hutchinson says both the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys came up in White House conversations ahead of January 6.
And she's making very clear that the U.S. security apparatus knew what was coming.
I also think it's important to remember that she didn't testify to something she saw personally, but that what was relayed to her. So even if it's testified that it didn't happen, it doesn't destroy her credibility, necessarily.
Right, which is where I was going with this -- Ornato could say 'I never told her that or anything that could remotely be construed as that', and that would be problematic for her. But if the story of what happened in the vehicle turned out to be just factually wrong, it's on him, not her.bob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:57 pm But Hutchinson testified under oath; lying to Congress could lead to obstruction, perjury, or both charges. (See [pre-pardoned] Roger Stone.)
Now, Hutchinson testified that Ornato said the repeached Florida Man tried to grab the steering wheel.
If Hutchinson tried to testify to that in court, it would lead to a hearsay objection: Although she was testifying in court, she was only relating what someone told her, and not what she had personally perceived.
Exactly: Except for the professional deniers, everyone has had real-life experiences (about less-existential matters) where there has been competing narratives about an event. And the truth often is in the middle; a narrator need not be completely accurate to be sufficiently reliable.Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:05 amRight, which is where I was going with this -- Ornato could say 'I never told her that or anything that could remotely be construed as that', and that would be problematic for her. But if the story of what happened in the vehicle turned out to be just factually wrong, it's on him, not her.
Lauren Peikoff @laurenpeikoff wrote: A lawyer for Virginia Thomas said she would not testify to the House panel for now. https://nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/ginni ... d=tw-share… (via @maggieNYT)
Her lawyer convinced her she's not as clever as she thinks she is?raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:16 am Oh yeah? Let’s see, what were her exact words a mere week or so ago? “I can’t wait to clear up misconceptions. I look forward to talking to them.”
Lauren Peikoff @laurenpeikoff wrote: A lawyer for Virginia Thomas said she would not testify to the House panel for now. https://nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/ginni ... d=tw-share… (via @maggieNYT)
Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:51 amHer lawyer convinced her she's not as clever as she thinks she is?raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:16 am Oh yeah? Let’s see, what were her exact words a mere week or so ago? “I can’t wait to clear up misconceptions. I look forward to talking to them.”
https:// twitter.com/laurenpeikoff/status/1541962330254319616Lauren Peikoff @laurenpeikoff wrote: A lawyer for Virginia Thomas said she would not testify to the House panel for now. https://nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/ginni ... d=tw-share… (via @maggieNYT)
Many thanks RA for the trump Truths
They are trying to discredit her testimony entirely by postulating this portion is wrong - therefore it's all wrong.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:26 am Considering the treasure trove of information from yesterday's hearing the RW isn't protesting, I'm thinking we need a trump version of Godwin's law to use whenever they start screaming whether trump did/did not reach for the wheel.
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And well I know it! I rewatched the entire Senate hearings last year (COVID comfort binging). Twice. I mean (by face to face) that Butterfield did not provide testimony involving the cover up plans or actions. He was not part of the coverup. Just the technical detail that there were recording devices. Sorry! I worded that badly.keith wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:34 pmButterfield had face-to-face testimony - live on TV - I watched it live and remember it like it was 49 years ago.
This post-hearing moment of awkward silence on Fox kinda says a lot.
If you haven’t seen the Ketchup Testimony yet, stop what you’re doing, take two minutes, and consider this a meditation on your personal and collective responsibility to defend democracy.
One would think, if Cassidy Hutchinson lied under oath yesterday, her boss Mark Meadows would have said something last night. His silence confirms the truth of her testimony.
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@CarolLeonnig
who wrote book on USSS:
“Bobby Engel and Tony Ornato were very, very close to President Trump"
“Some people accuse them of at times being enablers and yes-men”
"Large contingent" of Trump USSS detail cheered for Biden to fail, some cheered on the insurrection.
Low level aides are in the EEOB, not the West Wing.
Being next to the Chief of Staff and three doors down from the Oval Office is not low level by any stretch of the imagination.
Proximity is power/rank.
Just wrapped an interview with former Jan 6 committee investigator
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-- who says America "needs to rally behind truth tellers… "
Riggleman says committee witnesses face backlash, pushback and threats
Dan Bongino was a Secret Service agent for 12 years. Besides all the Secret Service-gates in recent years. They have their share of ideological freaks fo shure.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:01 am I would be leery of a SS agent who’s eager to repudiate such a minor detail.