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bob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:57 pm "For completeness," everything Hutchinson said today is hearsay.

Because "hearsay" refers to out-of-court statements; Hutchinson spoke in Congress, which isn't a court.

But Hutchinson testified under oath; lying to Congress could lead to obstruction, perjury, or both charges. (See [pre-pardoned] Roger Stone.)

So this is half true.

Dinesh D'Souza @DineshDSouza wrote:NBC and CBS are reporting that both Trump’s driver and Secret Service agent are willing to testify under oath that Trump never attempted to grab the steering wheel. And just like that, today’s “bombshell” testimony at the #January6thCommiteeHearings is completely discredited

And, of course, when critics pointed out a lie in "2000 Mules," D'Souza just gish-galloped to his next talking point.

Yet another case of do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do.

Oh look. It's the pigeon knocking over the board and declaring victory. Le sigh.

Zachary Petrizzo @ZTPetrizzo wrote: Former Trump aide Boris Epshteyn called today's Jan 6 hearing a "win" for Trump. "The net result of today is another major win for President Trump."

NBC and CBS are reporting that both Trump’s driver and Secret Service agent are willing to testify under oath that Trump never attempted to grab the steering wheel.

TFG apparently reached in towards the steering wheel. Engel grabbed his arm.

The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol.”

Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel and Mr., when [Secret Service official] Mr. [Tony] Ornato had recounted the story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.

So Trump reached forward to the front of the vehicle, and the guys stopped it.

ETA: CNNs article about it. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics ... index.html

This is like the least important part of her testimony. But I guess it’s telling that it is the only part they are trying to discredit.

Shizzle Popped wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:07 pm 70F9488C-40A0-48B3-983A-898A65A34A63.jpeg

For a presentation nobody wants to watch, sure seems like a lot of people are watching.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:43 pm For a presentation nobody wants to watch, sure seems like a lot of people are watching.

Someone on NPR said only 25 percent of Republicans, the ones who most need to hear it, are watching these hearings. YES, THAT'S HOW THEY ANSWER A POLL. Of course most are paying attention. They're not going to admit it.

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:25 pm This is like the least important part of her testimony. But I guess it’s telling that it is the only part they are trying to discredit.

True or not, she's only saying some one told her it happened, they need to talk to him, and maybe everyone who was in the SUV when it left the Ellipse for the West Wing.

It’s past 10pm in Florida. tfg is still “Truthing” about Hutchinson. He’s really rattled.

He's going to get someone (else) killed.

As I said last week, of course Trump was trying to get to the Capitol. A coup leader must be there to bless the new order birthed by violence and be acclaimed as savior by the crowd.

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:13 pm It’s past 10pm in Florida. tfg is still “Truthing” about Hutchinson. He’s really rattled.

Is there a way to see his 'Truths' without joining Troth Sential (Truth Social)? I would not object to you or someone else posting them here if there was no other way to see them.

Thanks.

“Just say we won the election and leave the rest to me”

“(A person) let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. He wants me to let you know that he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal, and you’re going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition.”

It’s the tfg way!

Domenico wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:33 pm

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:13 pm It’s past 10pm in Florida. tfg is still “Truthing” about Hutchinson. He’s really rattled.

Is there a way to see his 'Truths' without joining Troth Sential (Truth Social)? I would not object to you or someone else posting them here if there was no other way to see them.

Thanks.

Yes please. I don't officially do twitter, just follow certain peeps via web.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:28 pm Security spotted the stalk of an AR15 outside the ellipse on Jan 6. Also, "glock-style weapons in their waistbands."

"elevated threat in a tree outside Constitution Avenue...." (with photo)


"Walking down the street with AR-15s at 14th and Independence"

That cannot be right.

Bannon (I think it was, but maybe it was Hannity?) shouted long and hard that no weapons were found. NOT ONE. And therefore it COULD NOT be an insurrection.

So there.

Is DC still allowed to have gun laws under the new Sup. Ct. gunz everywhere decision?

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:13 pm It’s past 10pm in Florida. tfg is still “Truthing” about Hutchinson. He’s really rattled.

He's trying to get the press to show his statements but they don't anymore, not like they did when he was on twitter.

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:14 pm I'm trying to decide if she's Dean or Butterfield.

Butterfield. I don't think she has done any covering up to end up in jail like Dean. But what do I know?

Yesterday I was going to post that she might be this scandal's version of Butterfield - but got pre-empted by being called down to drive SWMBO to her doctor's appointment.

p0rtia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:49 pm

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:14 pm I'm trying to decide if she's Dean or Butterfield.

I think Dean, though Butterfield is a good parallel too. But she had face to face testimony, so Dead. Maybe the videographer, or the absent WH photographer, will turn out to be Butterfield.

Butterfield had face-to-face testimony - live on TV - I watched it live and remember it like it was 49 years ago.

Kendra wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Domenico wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:33 pm

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:13 pm It’s past 10pm in Florida. tfg is still “Truthing” about Hutchinson. He’s really rattled.

Is there a way to see his 'Truths' without joining Troth Sential (Truth Social)? I would not object to you or someone else posting them here if there was no other way to see them.

Thanks.

Yes please. I don't officially do twitter, just follow certain peeps via web.

“Truths”

One more.

bob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:50 pm

Which is, of course, EXACTLY what the SS is tasked to do, trained to do, authorized to do, and will do.

This is my take on what Pence meant when he said he wasn't getting into the limo because he didn't trust the SS driver. Pence was adamant that he wanted to stay to complete the job he was there to do, but the driver job is to ensure the safety of the VP at all costs and the best way to do that would be to get him the heck away from there as soon as possible.