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Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:01 pm
by Kendra


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Judge Beryl Howell on Cody Mattice #FenceSnatcher last week: "He literally is climbing over a mass of rioters… He almost lost his pants, he’s flashing his underwear… to spray things at officers."

Here's the video she was referencing:
I missed seeing this video.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:41 pm
by northland10
Slim Cognito wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:41 am When stupid doesn't begin to cover it...



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@mtgreenee
"Jan. 6 was just a riot...and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants."
She has her dates confused. On November 3rd, we overthrew a tyrant and defended liberty.

The colonists rebelled because they wanted to be able to control their own destiny (and have a vote and voice in it). MTG and the MAGA rebel because they want to control everybody else's destiny (and keep them from having a voice or vote in it).

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:58 pm
by RTH10260
Slim Cognito wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:41 am When stupid doesn't begin to cover it...

https:// twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1453020823158239237
The Republican Accountability Project @AccountableGOP
.@mtgreenee "Jan. 6 was just a riot...and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants."

5:28 PM · Oct 26, 2021
"Jan. 6 was just a riot...and if you think about what our Declaration of Independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants."
When I recall the historical times of the Founding Fathers they did not recommend the overturning of their own elected government but revolt against foreign powers like some British King... :think:

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:47 pm
by Suranis
The US constitution, which IS a law unlike the Dec if ind, does mention something about Congress having the power to raise a militia to suppress Insurrections. Seems the most holy framers did not like the idea of The Americans Revolting.

That Jefferson "Tree of Liberty" letter was him begging the rest of them not to enact the Constitution.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:10 pm
by AndyinPA
https://www.salon.com/2021/10/27/video- ... ike-pence/
John Eastman, the former Trump lawyer who authored the infamous "coup memo" on how to overturn the 2020 election, was caught on camera saying his coup plan would have worked if it wasn't for former Vice President Mike Pence.

Lauren Windsor, a progressive activist who is known for posing incognito to draw out revealing statements from Republicans and conservatives, spoke to Eastman at an event hosted by The Claremont Institute, Eastman's employer.

Pretending to be an outspoken Trump supporter, Windsor tells Eastman, "I read your memo and I thought it was solid in all of its legal arguments. And I was floored that Mike Pence didn't do anything. Why didn't he act on it? You gave him the legal reasoning to do that."

"I know, I know," replied Eastman.
Rachel had more last night.

There's the full video at the link.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:55 pm
by tek
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Hm, Eastman, Dersh, or Hutz? tough call.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:58 pm
by Foggy
Americans are still revolting. :whistle:

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:08 am
by Gregg
tek wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:55 pm eastman-1.jpg

Hm, Eastman, Dersh, or Hutz? tough call.
Dude, I'm putting them on a list with Orly and GIL.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:33 am
by Mr brolin
AndyinPA wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:10 pm https://www.salon.com/2021/10/27/video- ... ike-pence/
John Eastman, the former Trump lawyer who authored the infamous "coup memo" on how to overturn the 2020 election, was caught on camera saying his coup plan would have worked if it wasn't for former Vice President Mike Pence.

Lauren Windsor, a progressive activist who is known for posing incognito to draw out revealing statements from Republicans and conservatives, spoke to Eastman at an event hosted by The Claremont Institute, Eastman's employer.

Pretending to be an outspoken Trump supporter, Windsor tells Eastman, "I read your memo and I thought it was solid in all of its legal arguments. And I was floored that Mike Pence didn't do anything. Why didn't he act on it? You gave him the legal reasoning to do that."

"I know, I know," replied Eastman.
Rachel had more last night.

There's the full video at the link.

Shades of....... I'll get you, and your little dog too

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:51 am
by Suranis
Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews
Defense attorney today referred to inmates in the January 6th wing of the Washington DC Jail as "cult-like" and referred to the jail wing's environment as "toxic"

And federal judge questioned the wisdom of having the Jan 6 defendants together in same segregated unit
8:10 PM · Oct 26, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/stat ... 8866622472

Whose amazing idea was it to house the cult members together, where they could reinforce their delusions and support one anothers defiance of reality?

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:27 am
by pipistrelle
Suranis wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:51 am
Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews
Defense attorney today referred to inmates in the January 6th wing of the Washington DC Jail as "cult-like" and referred to the jail wing's environment as "toxic"

And federal judge questioned the wisdom of having the Jan 6 defendants together in same segregated unit
8:10 PM · Oct 26, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/stat ... 8866622472

Whose amazing idea was it to house the cult members together, where they could reinforce their delusions and support one anothers defiance of reality?
I’m torn about this. They could be spread out and infect relatively normal inmates, sovcit style.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:55 am
by bill_g
Two words: solitary confinement.

Two more: steel box.

And: In desert.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:21 am
by Tiredretiredlawyer
Segregated they are reinforcing their lack of remorse.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:38 am
by Slim Cognito
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:21 am Segregated they are reinforcing their lack of remorse.
Maybe that will help them get more severe sentences, if they act up or get rowdy in court? Just wishful thinking, I'm sure.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:41 am
by neeneko
bill_g wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:55 am Two words: solitary confinement.

Two more: steel box.

And: In desert.
Given how insecure these people are, I think pink jumpsuits would be even more effective.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:51 am
by bill_g
neeneko wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:41 am
bill_g wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:55 am Two words: solitary confinement.

Two more: steel box.

And: In desert.
Given how insecure these people are, I think pink jumpsuits would be even more effective.
Image

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:59 am
by Kendra
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matthew- ... d933196210
He Dressed As Press To Storm The Capitol. Now We Know He Runs A White Nationalist Website.
Matthew Purse was one of the most malevolent characters in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6. The horrifying extent of his extremism has gone unreported, until now.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:25 pm
by Notaperson
On a lighter note....


Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:29 pm
by bob
pipistrelle wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:27 am They could be spread out and infect relatively normal inmates, sovcit style.
:yeahthat:

In jail and prison, gangs are segregated, to reduce the likelihood of gang-on-gang violence.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:36 pm
by noblepa
Suranis wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:51 am
Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews
Defense attorney today referred to inmates in the January 6th wing of the Washington DC Jail as "cult-like" and referred to the jail wing's environment as "toxic"

And federal judge questioned the wisdom of having the Jan 6 defendants together in same segregated unit
8:10 PM · Oct 26, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/stat ... 8866622472

Whose amazing idea was it to house the cult members together, where they could reinforce their delusions and support one anothers defiance of reality?
Maybe we should call them "Group W" and give them a separate bench to sit on.

They are probably segregated because the drug dealers, murderers and rapists didn't want anything to do with them.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:49 pm
by Kendra


Long thread at link (still ongoing). Sounds like the judges are getting fed up.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:08 pm
by Maybenaut
bob wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:29 pm
pipistrelle wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:27 am They could be spread out and infect relatively normal inmates, sovcit style.
:yeahthat:

In jail and prison, gangs are segregated, to reduce the likelihood of gang-on-gang violence.
The flipside of that, though, is that keeping them together reinforces the (wrong) notion that they are political prisoners.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:14 pm
by bob
Maybenaut wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:08 pmThe flipside of that, though, is that keeping them together reinforces the (wrong) notion that they are political prisoners.
Jailers (like many) are often in no-win positions, so least-bad is better. I'll defer their expertise that operational safety is more important than public perception.

And I can't control that others are wrong. :dance:

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:25 pm
by Maybenaut
bob wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:14 pm
Maybenaut wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:08 pmThe flipside of that, though, is that keeping them together reinforces the (wrong) notion that they are political prisoners.
Jailers (like many) are often in no-win positions, so least-bad is better. I'll defer their expertise that operational safety is more important than public perception.

And I can't control that others are wrong. :dance:
oh, I don’t disagree. I was just thinking of how the British government treated the IRA as political prisoners. They kept them segregated, didn’t make them wear prison garb, etc. Until Margaret Thatcher showed up and changed all that. Treating them like criminals was actually one of the things that started bringing them to the negotiating table. I know it’s not the same situation, but it was just a thought that I had.

Re: Assault on the Capitol (DC)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:23 pm
by sugar magnolia
bob wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:14 pm
Maybenaut wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:08 pmThe flipside of that, though, is that keeping them together reinforces the (wrong) notion that they are political prisoners.
Jailers (like many) are often in no-win positions, so least-bad is better. I'll defer their expertise that operational safety is more important than public perception.

And I can't control that others are wrong. :dance:
And some of it is probably SOP for anyone in that jail, without a lot of thought put into it. Something like "all misdemeanor charges are held in pod A" with no regard for anything else beyond maybe keeping the violent ones out of genpop.

Didn't we have someone on the board who had prison experience?