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fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:18 pm I feel like the actual malice is going to be the sticking point. Dominion would have to prove he wanted to damage Dominion, when his contention is going to be that any damage to Dominion was incidental to what his real goal was: overturning the election and exposing the fraud.

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:24 pm

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:18 pm I feel like the actual malice is going to be the sticking point. Dominion would have to prove he wanted to damage Dominion, when his contention is going to be that any damage to Dominion was incidental to what his real goal was: overturning the election and exposing the fraud.

Despite the confusing term, that's not what "actual malice" means in a defamation case-- it means that the defendant either (a) knew the statement was false, or (b) "entertained serious doubts" about its truthfsulnes and nonetheless published it "recklessly" without further investigating those doubts.

somerset wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:20 pm

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:24 pm

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:18 pm I feel like the actual malice is going to be the sticking point. Dominion would have to prove he wanted to damage Dominion, when his contention is going to be that any damage to Dominion was incidental to what his real goal was: overturning the election and exposing the fraud.

Despite the confusing term, that's not what "actual malice" means in a defamation case-- it means that the defendant either (a) knew the statement was false, or (b) "entertained serious doubts" about its truthfsulnes and nonetheless published it "recklessly" without further investigating those doubts.

I think Lindell absolutely believes his statements are true. Is this a legitimate defense?

Dave from down under wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:40 pm

somerset wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:20 pm

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:24 pm

Despite the confusing term, that's not what "actual malice" means in a defamation case-- it means that the defendant either (a) knew the statement was false, or (b) "entertained serious doubts" about its truthfsulnes and nonetheless published it "recklessly" without further investigating those doubts.

I think Lindell absolutely believes his statements are true. Is this a legitimate defense?

The insanity defense?

Uninformed wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:26 pm “MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's social-media site Frank is now set to launch on April 20”:
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-li ... ate-2021-4

somerset wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:20 pm

Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:24 pm

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:18 pm I feel like the actual malice is going to be the sticking point. Dominion would have to prove he wanted to damage Dominion, when his contention is going to be that any damage to Dominion was incidental to what his real goal was: overturning the election and exposing the fraud.

Despite the confusing term, that's not what "actual malice" means in a defamation case-- it means that the defendant either (a) knew the statement was false, or (b) "entertained serious doubts" about its truthfsulnes and nonetheless published it "recklessly" without further investigating those doubts.

I think Lindell absolutely believes his statements are true. Is this a legitimate defense?

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:01 am Well, if this works out, he'll have enough money to make the suit worthwhile, right?

https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-li ... val-2021-4

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:17 am

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:01 am Well, if this works out, he'll have enough money to make the suit worthwhile, right?

https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-li ... val-2021-4

He must figure that, since he is going to end up owing Dominion everything he owns, he might as well blow through all his assets on stupid, doomed-to-fail ventures like Frank and MyStore, leaving him broke and judgement proof.

At this point, trying to take on Amazon is like Malcolm Bricklin or even John DeLorean trying to take on General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. It requires cubic megadollars to even begin to try, and then will almost certainly fail, bigly.

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:17 am At this point, trying to take on Amazon is like Malcolm Bricklin or even John DeLorean trying to take on General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. It requires cubic megadollars to even begin to try, and then will almost certainly fail, bigly.

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:09 pm

johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:38 am

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:17 am At this point, trying to take on Amazon is like Malcolm Bricklin or even John DeLorean trying to take on General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. It requires cubic megadollars to even begin to try, and then will almost certainly fail, bigly.

I know a little bit about distributed computing and about scalability. Building a site that can support hundreds of thousands of simultaneous users is really, really hard, even when the workload on the platform is as trivial as short messaging. It gets hard if you want to allow uploaded video, which would be desirable if your "thing" is "unlimited freedom of speech" so that you're not hurt if YouTube decides to ban a linked video.

...

I'm sure Lindell has a handful of D-list developers, all of whom are assuring him that the site will scale, but none of whom have any idea what real scalability and failover actually entails. It'll be even more of a barnyard shit show than Parler.

roadscholar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:50 pm How about "Mike Lindell is a lying piece of excrement?" Would that be OK?

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:46 pm

MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:09 pm

So only free speech that doesn't involve saying shit, fuck, or goddammit? What about damn? Ass? Bloody? Bitch?

God damn, you cu*t fu*kers are awesome for not letting folks say ni**er! Look at the ti*s on this Trans girl, she is going to kill you with kindness or her huge co*k.*

Mike Lindell's Frank 'Free Speech' Site to Ban Swearing, Porn, Taking God's Name in Vain
BY JASON MURDOCK ON 4/13/21 AT 6:13 AM EDT

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell has said his upcoming "free speech" platform won't allow users to swear, post porn or take God's name in vain. In a video uploaded to a static webpage acting as a placeholder for the so-called social media service—which is pitched as a mixture of YouTube and Twitter—he said that while the website will let users speak their mind, some restrictions will apply.

Lindell said: "You don't get to use the four swear words. The C-word, the N-word, the F-word or God's name in vain. Free speech is not pornography, free speech isn't 'I am going to kill you,' it is very well defined in our mission statement." For now, that mission statement remains unclear, as does the website's functionality, layout, funding, management structure, user base and back-end infrastructure.

The Donald Trump-supporting businessman said people can get "VIP early access" to the platform by submitting their phone numbers. Those users will be alerted via a text and get a glimpse of the site at midnight on Thursday this week, he said. The platform will open for all users on Monday (April 19). "It's going to be a two-day, I call it a "Frankathon," I am going to be on there live, all day long," Lindell said.

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's Social Media Site to Give 'Bonus' to YouTube-Banned Users
BY JASON MURDOCK ON 3/31/21 AT 4:45 AM EDT

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell has claimed his new social media site will give its users a "bonus" if they are kicked off YouTube. In an interview with The Eric Metaxas Show published on March 30, Lindell said his own service, called Frank, is scheduled to launch within the next two weeks and pitched it as a mixture of video uploads, personal posts and community discussion forums. "Everybody [is] coming over, and they will be able to talk without worrying about getting kicked off YouTube. On my platform if you get kicked off YouTube you are going to get a bonus," Lindell said during the show. "We give bonuses if you are kicked off YouTube. You know why? That means you are actually speaking your mind again."

It was not immediately clear what the bonuses would actually be, or how the incoming social media platform would be set up to accommodate such a system. The Donald Trump-supporting businessman, who is well known for spreading baseless election fraud conspiracies, previously suggested Frank will combine ideas from both YouTube and Twitter, and claimed it will have capacity to handle a billion users. Lindell claimed infrastructure will be hosted on self-bought servers to avoid any suspensions by Amazon, Apple or Google—which have previously disrupted the operations of other platforms popular among conservatives, including Parler and Gab.
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Lindell told The Eric Metaxas Show that his platform will have forum sections dedicated to discussion of controversial topics, including election fraud, and claimed podcasts and news shows are reluctant to discuss Dominion, vaccines and border issues. He said the platform will be "very traditional," letting users search, watch videos, follow other accounts and comment under posts uploaded by unnamed influencers. He said it will have a section to let users discuss news happening in their own states. Lindell, who was banned from Twitter in January for violating its misinformation policies, also asserted on the show: "[Twitter CEO] Jack Dorsey, he takes down people. And so does Google, taking down people on YouTube. We are going after both of them."