Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:11 pm
by roadscholar
Yeesh. That kills me. THERE AREN'T ANY MARXISTS, ANYWHERE. NOT IN RUSSIA, NOT IN CHINA.
An absolutely pathetic degree of historical and political ignorance.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:28 pm
by Slim Cognito
woodworker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:40 pm
Their final count was very simple -- they looked at the official totals and picked some numbers close to that as their final count.
Occam's Razor.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
New Arizona audit review shows Cyber Ninjas didn't count 312K ballots, double counted 23K
Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan did not respond to requests for comment Monday. But in an Oct. 6 statement, he refuted claims that the hand count was inaccurate. He said the hand count wasn't finished when the 695-page report on the counts was compiled.
The analysis follows an Oct. 1 report by The Audit Guys that said the hand count was "fiction." They based their conclusion on 17 pages extracted from the 695-page report that showed a 10% error rate in the count, an estimated 200,000 ballots.
The full report shows the numbers were worse, Moore said. In addition to missing hundreds of thousands of ballots, they double counted thousands more, he said.
The numbers repudiate the Cyber Ninjas' claim that its tallies closely matched the county's official election results, according to The Audit Guys.
So, the final report wasn't the final report? The final report was based on only 87% of the ballots?
CN should have spent less time looking for bamboo fibers and watermarks and more time doing ... addition.
Omg. Karen Fann should be very, very unhappy.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:35 pm
by LM K
In 5.5 months CN didn't even look at all the ballots?
We need a forensic audit of the forensic audit!!
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:44 pm
by Jim
LM K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:35 pm
In 5.5 months CN didn't even look at all the ballots?
We need a forensic audit of the forensic audit!!
Got just the firm to help with that...
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:56 pm
by LM K
Pffffff!!!
Y'all, there's an explanation for all of this. Once the damn final report is released, we'll know the truth!!
And, them Audit Guys, whom Bennett ran to when he finally realized CN was fucking up? Yeah, them guys who were outsiders, but became insiders, but then became outsiders again? They didn't know what they were doing this time.
Once the whoever is done with them routers, we'll know the truth!!
I'm still awaiting an explanation about how routers and electronic data will correct the numbers of pieces of paper. But I'm a skeptic. I'm sure their will be a very good explanation for this.
Karen Fann posted a link to this very, very poorly written article today.
A claim that nearly 23,000 ballots were counted twice during the recent Arizona State Senate audit while 167,000 ballots were never counted is misleading, according to a key member of the team which looked into how Maricopa County handled the 2020 General Election.
Senate Audit Liaison Ken Bennett says is it “totally illogical” for those not involved in the audit to attempt to formulate any findings by extrapolating data from the Senate’s machine count of ballots and comparing it with the Cyber Ninjas’ hand count focused on the votes for President on those ballots.
“There is no way they can come to any reasonable conclusions with the numbers they looked at,” Bennett told Arizona Daily Independent. “There is still some pretty important back-up information forthcoming from Cyber Ninjas.”
The conclusions Bennett is referring to were released earlier this week by “the Audit Guys,” made up of Larry Moore of Clear Ballot Group; Tim Halvorsen, formerly of Clear Ballot; and Benny White, a data analyst.
Officials with Clear Ballot, which offers ballot-tabulation services, had made it known to Senate President Karen Fann that the company was interested in assisting with the audit. Fann declined the offer, but the men undertook various reviews of Maricopa County’s election data on their own.
Bennett even reached out to Moore during the audit for an independent “spot check” of batch reports on 24 of the 1,681 boxes turned over by Maricopa County in response to a Senate audit. However, Bennett soon discovered that someone involved in the spot check leaked information to the media.
Bennett believes it is a “disservice” for outsiders like the Audit Guys to insist they know what happened within the audit, because not all of audit activities are finished. He says the audit team is awaiting Cyber Ninjas’ final reports as well as the forthcoming review of Maricopa County’s routers. And of course, the Arizona Attorney General’s election integrity unit has initiated an investigation based on Fann’s request.
“There is much more happening and it is important to allow the process to be done properly,” he said.
In the meantime, Bennett has agreed to take part in several townhalls across the state to talk about his experience with the audit. Information on dates and locations can be found at https://lookaheadamerica.org/aztownhall/
Any. Day. Now.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
They are the real deal who know AZ Elections and Election Audits backwards and forwards and have been doing it for decades, in short. Bennett is (unsurprisingly) full of shit. He's so full of it that it has backed up and is coming out his mouth. It's worth mentioning that Bennett was a birfer back when he was SoS that insisted on verifying Obama's birth certificate before including him on the ballot. He's trash, although he's easily the most likable of this ugly bunch.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:02 pm
by Jim
I'll bet they get no more than 3 meetings before they have to cancel the rest.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:18 pm
by Phoenix520
From the audit porn
Everyone won't leave their job over the manatees…
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:57 pm
by Slim Cognito
Re the audit porn: Are we going to see a return to Grand Slam Juries? I hope so! Maybe we can get a few hundred more imprisoned by 2024. Where is Dowdell these days, anyway?
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:18 am
by LM K
orlylicious wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:05 pm
Bonus: David Clement's Termination Hearing
Interesting hearing. My comments are posted as spoilers so less scrolling is necessary.
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Clements interrupted constantly .
Two of the 3 admins look exhausted with Clements bullshit. No one wants to be there. And no one likes Clements.
In many such hearings, admin hasn't been as directly and constantly affected by the subject of the hearing. Clements has really fucked himself over.
Clements continually tried to turn the discipline hearing into a legal hearing. It was tedious, obnoxious, and rude.
Allegations:
-Intimidated students
-Decreased enrollment because of his actions and comments.
-Disrupted college business.
-Negatively affected NMSU's reputation.
1. Clements intimidated students. Example of intimidating comments/actions discussed in the hearing.
**"But I'll be damned if any of my baby girls in this class will have a miscarriage."** (Approx 22:00)
Clements claims that VEARS data shows that the vaccine causes miscarriages. That was one of his many reasons for discouraging students from getting vaccinated.
**I would have accused Clements of making a sexist remark. You don't refer to female students as "my baby girls". That's sexist and frankly, creepy AF.
Had a student made that accusation, it would have become a point of discussion.
2. Decreased enrollment in Clements' classes because of his actions and comments.
10 students dropped Clements' classes by the third day of class. (Approx 23:30) Clements was teaching 2 classes. I don't know what the enrollment for those classes were, but they seemed like small classes.
Hearing head points out that students drop classes. Which is true. However, 3 of the 10 students told the Dept Dean that they were dropping Clements' classes because of his covid crap.
3. Disrupted college business.
Clements, on social media on Aug 17, said that he was being treated "unconstitutionally, illegally, and immorally" and that people should confront to the University's admin. This was added to the complaint because, at that point, the Univ had only reminded Clements that he had to wear a mask. (Approx 27:00)
Clements dog whistle essentially shut down campus phone systems and clogged email accts so badly that campus business became impossible. There were over 1,000 voicemails and emails received by the college immediately after Clements posted on social media.
Clements was ramping up the histrionics before classes even met.
On social media Clements said that the Univ would be contacting the media to do "hit pieces" about him.
On social media Clements said he "had no job" although that wasn't true.
On 8/21, Clements claimed he was no longer a professor and a GiveSendGo acct was opened on his behalf, raising over $280,000.
4. Damaged Univ reputation. (Approx 31:30)
Clements said the Univ's covid policy was invasive and dangerous. He called Univ faculty "Marxist". He claimed that the covid policy was turning everyone into lab rats.
In the class video recording, Clements directly criticized the Univ's covid policy to Univ students, implying that those following the covid policy had "lost their minds" and "are not thinking critically".
Additional points of concern:
-Clements encouraged others to violate the Univ's covid policy.
- Clements had a conflict of interest; he used campus resources to promote "his political brand" on his website "The Professor's Record".
- Clements twice represented himself as a law professor. The Univ has no law school and he teaches in the finance Dept.
- Clements lied and said he had been fired even though he was on paid admin leave.
**Clements interruption***: "The public's gunna' LOVE this." Sigh.... (Grimace). ** (Approx 43:25)
-Admin:"I want to note for the record that Mr. Clements just threatened ... (interrupted)
- Clements: " That's not a threat, that's a promise ..." blah, blah, blah".
Nail in coffin.
- Clemens was misleading in his comments/interpretation of VEARS data regarding miscarriage and covid vaccines. (Approx 52:00)
- Clements misused Univ equipment for financial and/or political purposes.
Clements responds (Approx 54:00)
- Clements doesn't like the word "brand" one bit.
- Clements posted his lecture video to facilitate public awareness!! It was very important stuff, people! I'm an officer of the court and there's tax payer money, and it's my responsibility to protect people!!
I'm a champion of the people!
- Clements asked, upon learning of the Univ's covid policy, to receive an accommodation to teach online. Clements had agreed to teach in class classes, but when he agreed to that, there wasn't "that experimental drug vaccine mandate" or testing mandate. Those mandates went into effect "just before" the beginning of the semester.
Because he wasn't granted the accommodation, Clements was forced to go on social media and ask people to contact the Univ on his behalf!
But Clements never formally requested this accommodation. He simply spoke to his Dean. Clements did know how to formally request accommodations.
When asked why he didn't request formal accommodations, Clements kind of rambles, saying he had been "targeted" by another professor and the Office of Institutional Equity in Feb, ____ he reported a hostile workplace ____
the Office has a conflict, so, because of being targeted ... no.
He's a target!!
- The Univ is violating the equal protection clause because Clements is being treated differently than other vaccinated faculty.
Didn't Clements kinda sorta ask for accommodations? And with that request, wasn't he asking to be treated differently than vaccinated staff?
Whistleblower Act!
Nuremberg Code!
If I understand Clements correctly, he sent a letter to the Provost outlining stuff and things. Like the Whistleblower Act and Nuremberg Code.
MAGA hat sighting!!
- Clements appears aggravated because no one will take his bait. He had hoped to turn this hearing into a shouting match. It's not.
- I think Clements wanted this hearing in person instead of on zoom. Clements seems like the kind of bully that likes to physically intimidate his target. Zoom keeps him boxed in.
- Admin: So you agree that you've violated University regulations and laws but argue that those regulations and laws are illegal? (Approx 1:11:30)
- Admin 2: These were the laws and regulations at the time Clements was hired.
- Clements, yabut, y'all didn't put in my contract that I had to wear a mask or inject myself!!
- Clements: the question isn't if I've violated my contract, it's if the University violated it's contract with me!
- Admin: "No. It's not."
Nazi Germany!
Nuremberg trials!!
- So why won't Clements agree to regular testing? The tests give false positives! "That's been documented!"
- Clements tries to argue science with ... the professor of oceanography. That guy shuts Clements down.
- Clements is pissy. He couldn't derail the hearing with distractions using his "science" or "the law". Or mentions of Nazis and Nuremberg.
- Clements claims that mandatory vaccinations have never happened before in all of human history. (Iirc, he has children.)
Clements makes himself available for questions. (Approx 1:21:30)
- Admin: so why did you post the video?
- Clements: JUSTICE!! This was my only recourse! Someone has to tell students and faculty stuff and things!! I HAVE AN ETHICAL OBLIGATION!! (Approx 1:26:30)
No applause by hearing members.
Closing statements: (Approx 1:29:00)
- Clements says that the CDC is just an agency, not someone like a physician who can be held accountable for malpractice if something goes wrong with the vaccine.
Who do I sue!!!
Oh, and the vaccines are experimental! They're not FDA approved!!
Oh, and I'm the one being harassed and bullied and threatened with being fired because I care for my students!!
Cue, "Don't Cry For Me Argentina"
"History is going to judge us, and I guarantee you, it will not judge you kindly."
End hearing.
Clements has a serious problem with delusions of prosecution. And good lord, the man is a narcissist.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:07 am
by Sam the Centipede
Thanks for your sacrifice in listening to and taking notes on that hearing LM K.
I have lost the plot on why David Clements is relevant to the AZ fraudit, but it's interesting anyway to read your analysis. It's always a giveaway that there's a RWNJ in play if there are simultaneous allegations of birth Naziism and Marxism, or, as here, the symbols of both are used.
The arrogant self-belief and narcissism certainly fit the pattern too, as with Klayman, Apuzzo, etc.
One wonders how much university leaders were quietly thinking "We have an opportunity to get rid of this shit who upsets our students, teaches poorly, causes us unwelcome hassle, and dirties the university's reputation. Let's grab this with both hands." They'd be inhuman (and a little stupid) not to.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:19 pm
by Luke
Brava, LM K! Thank you for the brilliant summary! Haven't had a chance to watch. He comes across as a total jerk on his Telegram channel. Some are starting to call him out as a grifter, as time goes by and zero happens on the audits, the marks are getting more restless. They're going to have to come up with some different magik to keep that money coming in. Despise these people ripping off stupid but perhaps just gullible people.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Is it too much to ask that Clements settle on a pro- or anti- position on Nuremberg? (Were the trials necessary to deter future humanitarian horrors (like non-consensual experiments) or just shows to railroad?)
Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:07 am I have lost the plot on why David Clements is relevant to the AZ fraudit
The technical answer is that he's not. But the broader answer is that Clements has dived deep in the Big Lie, to pander to the MAGA crowd (and its leader). With the Arizona fraudit being both a tool and symbol of the Big Lie.
Clements has been advocating for audits generally, and "commenting on" (read: supporting) Arizona's specifically.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:22 pm
by raison de arizona
Apparently, it's pretty bad.
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Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:43 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
Brava, L MK! your summary took me back to my lawyering days and representing teachers at hearings. The University's lawyers prepped the hearing board very well.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:45 pm
by raison de arizona
Yes, great summary, really appreciated it!
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:47 pm
by LM K
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:43 pm
Brava, L MK! your summary took me back to my lawyering days and representing teachers at hearings. The University's lawyers prepped the hearing board very well.
They did. Clements tried so hard to bait the hearing board. It was obnoxious.
The Univ knows that Clements plans to take them to court. They know they'll win, but Clements' goal isn't to win, it's to stir crap up. He wants the public to harass the Univ on his behalf.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:57 pm
by LM K
UPDATE: Senate Turns Over Disputed "Audit" Records To Judge, Asks Him To Let Them Appeal (Again) Before Releasing Them (READ Request)
The Arizona Senate has presented disputed communications related to its "audit" of the 2020 Presidential election to Superior Court Judge John Hannah on Tuesday, while asking him to defer any public release so that they can (again) appeal to keep them under wraps.
"The Senate believes that rushed, piecemeal, and potentially redundant appellate review ill-serves the imperatives of careful deliberation and judicial economy," attorneys Kory Langhofer and Tom Basile write. They specifically mention appealing the "legislative privilege" issue, which Superior Court Judge John Hannah firmly rejected in his earlier ruling (in original article).
Hannah had given the Senate until the end of the day Tuesday to turn over six sets of records related to the election "audit". This is in the public records lawsuit brought by the Arizona Republic. There is a similar case brought by American Oversight.
Request at the linky.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:35 pm
by Suranis
"The Senate believes that rushed, piecemeal, and potentially redundant appellate review ill-serves the imperatives of careful deliberation and judicial economy," attorneys Kory Langhofer and Tom Basile write.
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:47 pm
by Luke
Here's Shiva's bullsh*t. Over four hours. Clicked in a few parts, he is irritating af to listen to. And he has no idea what he's talking about.
Here's Garrett Archer, unrolled https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1448 ... 66145.html. Anyone involved with elections is saying the same thing. Apparently, Karen Fann and the AZ Senate paid this clown $50,000. How did Zullo miss out on this action?
The AZ - abc15 - Data Guru Follow @Garrett_Archer
14 Oct, 5 tweets, 1 min read
Shiva just got a question on his open forum about the "discrepancy" of 216k early ballots not recorded as received.
The answer is and always will be election day drop offs. Instead he's going on about Liz Harris efforts.
Shiva smartly skirted a written question from a guy in Mesa (who used the Q wwg thing as his signature) about Sharpies and how they affected the election.
You know, the thing that Logan himself put to bed.
He thinks signature verification in Maricopa uses an algorithm.
Now he's doing the inspiring video where he tells people to do their own research and he's training them to bypass the authorities.
Next call from lake Havasu City someone saying that Martha McSally lost her 2018 election with found ballots.
Liz Harris says that 2018 was a trial run for 2020.
Just to be clear we're still talking about early votes and the fact that they don't like that they take a while
Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:22 pm
by tek
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Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett
Brava, LM K! Thank you for the brilliant summary! Haven't had a chance to watch. He comes across as a total jerk on his Telegram channel. Some are starting to call him out as a grifter, as time goes by and zero happens on the audits, the marks are getting more restless. They're going to have to come up with some different magik to keep that money coming in. Despise these people ripping off stupid but perhaps just gullible people.
How did Zullo miss out on this action?
