Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:48 pm
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Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:34 pm
Whomp, there it is.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:59 pm
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:00 am
That's a nice piece of work, seen with my non-lawyer eyes. I only read the first few pages, but it looks thorough.
I like the multiple whammies:
"they're covered by executive privilege" – you're not the executive now, but the DOJ and FBI are
"they're declassified" – so they must have been government papers to be classified in the first instance so they are government property
"they're personal papers" – (1) you can't just claim ownership, that's theft, they're still government property
"they're personal papers" – (2) so no executive privilege attaches to them
"attorney-client privilege" – no, we checked
(That might not be an accurate caricature.)
And the "oh judge, you messed up big time" statements are fun!
I like the multiple whammies:
"they're covered by executive privilege" – you're not the executive now, but the DOJ and FBI are
"they're declassified" – so they must have been government papers to be classified in the first instance so they are government property
"they're personal papers" – (1) you can't just claim ownership, that's theft, they're still government property
"they're personal papers" – (2) so no executive privilege attaches to them
"attorney-client privilege" – no, we checked
(That might not be an accurate caricature.)
And the "oh judge, you messed up big time" statements are fun!
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:21 am
This is what happens when a corrupt Senator spends the entire 8 years of a President's two terms dragging judicial appointments out so that when he finally gets a President of his own party he has so many open benches that he has to find any hack who will swear allegiance to The Federalist Society and is young enough to hold on to the seat for 50 odd years.
Unqualified Judges, many of whom have never tried a case and some whose first appearance in an actual courtroom was to be sworn in to a lifetime appointment.
Mitch McConnel has done more damage to the courts than anyone since Roger Taney and he can phuck all the way off.
Unqualified Judges, many of whom have never tried a case and some whose first appearance in an actual courtroom was to be sworn in to a lifetime appointment.
Mitch McConnel has done more damage to the courts than anyone since Roger Taney and he can phuck all the way off.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:27 am
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:04 am
Not giving the (ahem) judge a break here, but I can't help but wonder if she's throwing it intentionally in the hopes that the 11th will remove her from the situation while keeping her trump bona fides intact.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 am
In other words, you are saying that she's a coward?Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:04 am Not giving the (ahem) judge a break here, but I can't help but wonder if she's throwing it intentionally in the hopes that the 11th will remove her from the situation while keeping her trump bona fides intact.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 am
Just watched a clip of Nicole on MSNBC which brought up an angle I hadn't thought of personally, but if the 11th/SCOTUS allows Canon's decision to stand, then how loud will the GOP scream when former president Biden takes home a truckload of docs claiming he declassified them and they belong to him.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:11 am
Yes. Yes I am.Chilidog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 amIn other words, you are saying that she's a coward?Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:04 am Not giving the (ahem) judge a break here, but I can't help but wonder if she's throwing it intentionally in the hopes that the 11th will remove her from the situation while keeping her trump bona fides intact.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:23 am
In the Tweet universe, the judge is now being referred to as "Loose Cannon". No honorific. 
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:47 am
She does, and one of those with little sense of self=preservation. But then she has advocate Cannon on her side.raison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:55 amTwo weeks ago I would have said 100% no, but now that she is looking at some serious exposure
She feels like a true believer though.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:47 am
They know he wouldn't do that.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 am Just watched a clip of Nicole on MSNBC which brought up an angle I hadn't thought of personally, but if the 11th/SCOTUS allows Canon's decision to stand, then how loud will the GOP scream when former president Biden takes home a truckload of docs claiming he declassified them and they belong to him.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:50 am
My take is she's a clueless hack loyal to party; the "classified" thing should have been a clue that the nation's at stake, but no, party first.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:11 amYes. Yes I am.Chilidog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 amIn other words, you are saying that she's a coward?Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:04 am Not giving the (ahem) judge a break here, but I can't help but wonder if she's throwing it intentionally in the hopes that the 11th will remove her from the situation while keeping her trump bona fides intact.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:50 am
Na, she's just Asking Questions.Chilidog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:08 amIn other words, you are saying that she's a coward?Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:04 am Not giving the (ahem) judge a break here, but I can't help but wonder if she's throwing it intentionally in the hopes that the 11th will remove her from the situation while keeping her trump bona fides intact.
It's the new rule of law.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:52 am
They are already claiming that Obama did that.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:47 amThey know he wouldn't do that.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 am Just watched a clip of Nicole on MSNBC which brought up an angle I hadn't thought of personally, but if the 11th/SCOTUS allows Canon's decision to stand, then how loud will the GOP scream when former president Biden takes home a truckload of docs claiming he declassified them and they belong to him.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:55 am
Claiming and knowing are different things. They claim a lot.Chilidog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:52 amThey are already claiming that Obama did that.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:47 amThey know he wouldn't do that.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 am Just watched a clip of Nicole on MSNBC which brought up an angle I hadn't thought of personally, but if the 11th/SCOTUS allows Canon's decision to stand, then how loud will the GOP scream when former president Biden takes home a truckload of docs claiming he declassified them and they belong to him.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:56 am
I have read all the posts and I still couldn't answer my own question, DID THEY MOVE FOR A STAY OF CANNON'S ORDER or did they simply file an appeal.
Of course, the hint was the link to the actual document, which said it was an "appeal" but also said it was a brief, well reasoned, well written, etc.
But still no word on whether it was an actual appeal or a motion for a stay. But probably a motion for stay, you don't file a brief to start an appeal.
So I had to download the brief, which is not an appeal at all.
It is a Motion for Partial Stay Pending Appeal.
The appeal -- so far as I'm able to determine -- has not yet been filed, or we don't know about it yet.
Just so we're caught up on the legal situation.
Maybe one of the IAALs can explain what the timing is for oppositions, replies, etc.
Of course, the hint was the link to the actual document, which said it was an "appeal" but also said it was a brief, well reasoned, well written, etc.
But still no word on whether it was an actual appeal or a motion for a stay. But probably a motion for stay, you don't file a brief to start an appeal.
So I had to download the brief, which is not an appeal at all.
It is a Motion for Partial Stay Pending Appeal.
The appeal -- so far as I'm able to determine -- has not yet been filed, or we don't know about it yet.
Just so we're caught up on the legal situation.
Maybe one of the IAALs can explain what the timing is for oppositions, replies, etc.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:25 am
They’re claiming that Obama “stole” the millions of documents that NARA lent to his presidential library.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:55 amClaiming and knowing are different things. They claim a lot.
Because that’s exactly the same as what tfg did.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:12 am
The government filed a Notice of Appeal in the district court several days ago. (Because the government was enjoined, the injunction aspect of the case was immediately appealable.) The government also moved for a stay in the district court pending appeal. Once the district court denied the stay, the government asked the Circuit to impose a stay pending resolution of its appeal. (A litigant must typically ask the district court to stay its own order before asking the Circuit court to issue a stay.)Foggy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:56 am I have read all the posts and I still couldn't answer my own question, DID THEY MOVE FOR A STAY OF CANNON'S ORDER or did they simply file an appeal.
Of course, the hint was the link to the actual document, which said it was an "appeal" but also said it was a brief, well reasoned, well written, etc.
But still no word on whether it was an actual appeal or a motion for a stay. But probably a motion for stay, you don't file a brief to start an appeal.
So I had to download the brief, which is not an appeal at all.
It is a Motion for Partial Stay Pending Appeal.
The appeal -- so far as I'm able to determine -- has not yet been filed, or we don't know about it yet.
Just so we're caught up on the legal situation.
Maybe one of the IAALs can explain what the timing is for oppositions, replies, etc.
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:26 am
pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:47 amThey know he wouldn't do that.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:10 am Just watched a clip of Nicole on MSNBC which brought up an angle I hadn't thought of personally, but if the 11th/SCOTUS allows Canon's decision to stand, then how loud will the GOP scream when former president Biden takes home a truckload of docs claiming he declassified them and they belong to him.
Well, if one would know to have this other old crazy former guy getting back into residence, it would be appropriate to rescue all the nations top secrets from his access 
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:15 am
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:35 am
Is this being filed with a specific judge, or is the clerk going to assign it to the next panel in rotation?
Is there anyway to tell?
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:45 am
Well, Kise was a registered agent for the Maduro regime, so that oughta speed things along.
https://efile.fara.gov/docs/6787-Regist ... 0124-1.pdf
Re: Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:06 pm
Normally, I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but.....