Fogbow

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:51 pm**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:39 pm
qbawl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:35 pm In short, what Pulitzer proposes is a new form of high-tech forensic analysis which can be a vital empirical tool for objectively determining the route a ballot paper took from being printed, sent to the voter, handled by the voter, returned by mail, processed by ballot handlers and counted by a Dominion voting machine. What more can anyone ask in determining the truth?

In the case of the Cyber Nutjobs, the ability to count accurately: 1, 2, 3, …,1,040,772, 1,040,773, 1,040,774, yes, that's a lot of votes for Biden.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:27 pm**

Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 pm
Foggy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:41 am I have a football bat but it appears to be made of ash.
You shouldn't have set fire to it.

Don't play with the nuclear football...

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:19 pm**

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:21 pm**

qbawl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:05 pm So fundamentally flawed analysis of a misunderstood scientific principle FTW!

I know I am a bit of a broken record on this.. but I suspect someone hired a student who was really exited about machine learning and now they think they can find anything if they throw enough data at it... or maybe just a little data with a bunch of transforms. so take maybe half a dozen ballots that you have manhandled, a dozen that you have not, and poof, you have a detection algorithm!

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:43 pm**

much ado wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:48 pm
Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:29 pm “Traders”

ETA In response to the telegram msgs.
Late to the party, I was out looking for hickory trees. I don’t think they grow here.
I'm a botanist. Love hickory tress. There were many different species where I grew up in SE Ohio. None here in California. Here is a map of the distribution of hickories in the US. The genus Carya is found in the bright green counties. I wrote the software for BONAP that produced this map.

Sorry, your map is wrong. You know that one tree you found in Mohave County at the bottom of the Grand Canyon? I cut it down last year.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:50 pm**

keith, see me after class.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:56 pm**

Keith wasn't under oath when he said that!!!!

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:58 pm**

I have hickory trees in my yard. Y'all are welcome to them. You might have to fight the squirrels for them, though.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:22 pm**

neeneko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:21 pm
qbawl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:05 pm So fundamentally flawed analysis of a misunderstood scientific principle FTW!
I know I am a bit of a broken record on this.. but I suspect someone hired a student who was really exited about machine learning and now they think they can find anything if they throw enough data at it... or maybe just a little data with a bunch of transforms. so take maybe half a dozen ballots that you have manhandled, a dozen that you have not, and poof, you have a detection algorithm!

You may be right but no matter who they have do whatever, they ruined useful results (real-word useful, not sell it to the RWNJ useful). If you look at it in say, a DMAIC cycle:

Define
Measure
Analyze
Improve
Control

They happily skip right over Define so do not know the process and what it is to achieve at any given point. Thus, their Definition is based on the Measure step, which of course, dooms the entire cycle. The intentional ignoring of the as-is process shows they are either 1) not serious or 2) clueless in understanding a business process. At that point, everything else will fail.

Disclaimer, my Six Sigma knowledge is very limited though I have had some experience working on Business Processes but am not officially trained with all of the current buzzwords.

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:44 am**

See, I suspect they are not even bothering with process or following a proper workflow/cycle. A lot of the stuff I see popping up reminds me of student projects where they just start with as much data as they can obtain or mutate, fabricate a target set, and pump it all through some black box and then speak confidently about the results.

Off Topic

Which I think is a bit of an industry wide problem right now, not just a RWNJ thing. Any place where personal brand is more important than verifiable results, you get this basic pattern. One of the issues is that a lot of the results are unexplainable and there is no process for validating them (since the conclusion contaminates the data), having people believe you were right or wrong becomes more an factor of confidence/brand/charisma/charts than anything else.

Things like process and Sigma Six only really come in when you want verification and something that can be analyzed, which is the exact opposite of what keeps this community alive ^_^. Unfortunately, this mindset has found its way into industries that thrive on this ambiguity, which is why you see so much of these systems in things like advertising, search, suggestion systems, media scheduling, and dating sites... all places that you can take credit for success and shift blame for failure in some kind of 'it would have been worse if we did not do XYZ' without any worry about formalied methods and processes contradicting you.

Now, where this is on topic.. I think this is a community that has really refined this process over the last two decades, and even teaches it at this point, and there is kinda a glut now, so there is a generation of consultants trying to find new niches where this can be applied, and the RWNJ data grinder is a pretty fertile field with lots of audience & money but not as much competition.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:32 pm**

Just what we need. Guess who is visiting the AZ AG's office today?

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:57 pm**

That's Ron Watkins, the son in the Father-son partnership that probably ran the Q-anon account.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:02 pm**

Streaming live tomorrow morning 10am EST, 7am AZ.

Assessing the Election ‘Audit’ in Arizona and Threats to American Democracy
Meeting Notes: This hearing will convene in room 2154 of the Rayburn House Office Building and over Zoom, which has been approved by the House.
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2021 - 10:00am

On Thursday, October 7, 2021, at 10:00 a.m. ET, The Committee on Oversight and Reform will hold a hearing to assess the election “audit” in Maricopa County, Arizona, conducted by Cyber Ninjas, Inc., and how this and similar audits undermine public confidence in elections and threaten our democracy.

WITNESSES
Jack Sellers
Chairman, Board of Supervisors, Maricopa County, Arizona

Bill Gates
Vice Chairman, Board of Supervisors, Maricopa County, Arizona

David Becker
Executive Director and Founder, The Center for Election Innovation and Research

Gowri Ramachandran
Senior Counsel, The Brennan Center

Doug Logan (Invited)
Chief Executive Officer and Principal Consultant, Cyber Ninjas, Inc.

Mr. Ken Bennett (Minority Witness)
Former Secretary of State for the State of Arizona
Arizona State Senate Liaison to Cyber Ninjas Audit

https://oversight.house.gov/legislation ... -democracy

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:24 pm**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:02 pm Streaming live tomorrow morning 10am EST, 7am AZ.
Assessing the Election ‘Audit’ in Arizona and Threats to American Democracy
Meeting Notes: This hearing will convene in room 2154 of the Rayburn House Office Building and over Zoom, which has been approved by the House.
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2021 - 10:00am

On Thursday, October 7, 2021, at 10:00 a.m. ET, The Committee on Oversight and Reform will hold a hearing to assess the election “audit” in Maricopa County, Arizona, conducted by Cyber Ninjas, Inc., and how this and similar audits undermine public confidence in elections and threaten our democracy.

WITNESSES
Jack Sellers
Chairman, Board of Supervisors, Maricopa County, Arizona

Bill Gates
Vice Chairman, Board of Supervisors, Maricopa County, Arizona

David Becker
Executive Director and Founder, The Center for Election Innovation and Research

Gowri Ramachandran
Senior Counsel, The Brennan Center

Doug Logan (Invited)
Chief Executive Officer and Principal Consultant, Cyber Ninjas, Inc.

Mr. Ken Bennett (Minority Witness)
Former Secretary of State for the State of Arizona
Arizona State Senate Liaison to Cyber Ninjas Audit
https://oversight.house.gov/legislation ... -democracy

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:43 pm**

Of course they won't. Subpoena!

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:45 am**

I'm surprised Bennett plans to show up!

Why is Logan listed as "invited" rather than "subpoenaed"?

ETA: Logan was threatened with subpoena.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:33 am**

Bennet is an interesting study.

i believe that he has training as a CPA,

1) i think he recognized many of the QA/QC issues and procedural flaws early on.

2) when he tried to point out those flaws, they not only ignored him, but tried to freeze him out. I think he found their dismissive attitude towards him to be highly offensive. That's why he went public at the time.

This is his pay back.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:38 am**

I'm wondering if we will get a "Battle of the hearings?"

I bet that after the audit is ripped to shreds in the congressional hearing, Fann will hold her own, fake hearing. I say fake, because it will only involve the people she wants to be involved in it...

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:09 am**

Doug's not going. Ken Bennett is there.

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TLC Ohio, [07.10.21 00:10]
[Forwarded from Joe Oltmann (Apollo)]
Congress is probably BIG MAD at Doug Logan....so please watch our exclusive interview with the Cyber Ninjas CEO tomorrow at 9AM MT! https://bit.ly/3abS8Gc

OCTOBER 7, 2021
Arizona Election Officials Testify on 2020 Election Audit
Arizona election officials and others testify on the 2020 Cyber Ninjas audit before the House Oversight and Reform Committee.

Carolyn Maloney is leading the hearing is on C-SPAN now (10am EDT): https://www.c-span.org/video/?515200-1/ ... audit&live

Karen Fann's shows haven't even been hearings, nobody gets to ask questions, not even other electeds. And as you saw the from AZAudit Porn, they're turning on her.

Richter has a Twitter thread on ridiculous Dr. Shiva --

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:06 am**

I can't stand to hear Gozar speak. He's such a freakin asshat.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:19 am**

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:06 am I can't stand to hear Gozar speak. He's such a freakin asshat.

There is no Gozar, only Zuul.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:07 pm**

Estiveo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:19 am
Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:06 am I can't stand to hear Gozar speak. He's such a freakin asshat.
There is no Gozar, only Zuul.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:10 pm**

So I'm not hearing that anything meaningful came out of the hearing.

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:26 pm**

I've been busy today and only managed to catch a few lowlights from Biggs and Gosar. Here is the whole thing though:

► Show Spoiler

Here's Bennett and Biggs palling around at the audit:

► Show Spoiler

A clip from Doug Logan's interview he missed testifying before Congress for explaining how he got involved:

► Show Spoiler

Joe Oltmann admits to leaking the draft report:

► Show Spoiler

Posted: **Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:28 pm**

That's an interesting thread.

Who won the election?

WE DON'T KNOOOOOOWWWWWW!

(I guess that's better than saying trump won. They spent millions on this fraudit and yet can't bring themselves to say either way.)

Fogbow

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