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Bradley P. Moss
@BradMossEsq
With yet another court filing, it is increasingly clear there is no evidence of Trump's alleged "standing declassification order", and no evidence that these particular classified records were ever declassified.

Andrew Weissmann
@AWeissmann
18 USC section 1001 makes it a crime to lie to a federal judge. Will Trump tell FLA court he had a blanket order declassifying everything (including nuclear capability docs)? I doubt it cause at bottom he’s scared as hell of accountability and jail.

Harry Litman
@harrylitman
Importantly, Trump doesn’t argue that he declassified material. Closest is this: “DOJ stance wrongly assumes that if a document has a classification marking, it remains classified in perpetuity.”

noblepa wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:21 pm

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:56 am Double glove, just to be sure.

I wouldn't touch him even with those enormous heavy rubber gloves that electricians use to work on live high-voltage wires.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:28 pm

I’d be happy to slap him with one of those thick leather gauntlet gloves falconers use.

p0rtia wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:44 pm So I read the 8 page joint filing nominating Special Masters and suggesting how to proceed.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0579081632

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:40 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:28 pm

I’d be happy to slap him with one of those thick leather gauntlet gloves falconers use.

May I suggest that you upgrade that to chainmail...

Suranis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:25 pm I dunno if the DOJ is making this argument, but if you are stealing documents from the government, isn't it still stealing either they are classified or not? The documents were never his property as President, they were provided for his temporary use.

This wrangling about which were classified is just a distraction imo. It's important but avoids the central issue. He shouldnt have taken so much as a roll of toilet paper that wasn't his property.

Trump Asks Judge to Keep Blocking F.B.I. From Working With Seized Classified Files

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:50 am I'm putting this here instead of the Link Request thread because it may be relevant today. I can't tell bc I can't see the date of the article. If someone could please oblige me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/12/us/p ... d=tw-share

Trump Asks Judge to Keep Blocking F.B.I. From Working With Seized Classified Files

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:50 am I'm putting this here instead of the Link Request thread because it may be relevant today. I can't tell bc I can't see the date of the article. If someone could please oblige me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/12/us/p ... d=tw-share

Trump Asks Judge to Keep Blocking F.B.I. From Working With Seized Classified Files

Trump Asks Judge to Keep Blocking F.B.I. From Working With Seized Classified Files
It was the latest salvo in a court fight over a special master, which has stalled an investigation into the former president’s hoarding of government documents.


By Alan Feuer and Charlie Savage
Sept. 12, 2022 Updated 11:40 a.m. ET

Lawyers for former President Donald J. Trump asked a federal judge on Monday to deny the Justice Department’s request to immediately restart a key part of its criminal investigation into his hoarding of sensitive government documents at his residence in Florida.

Renewing their request for an expansive independent review of records seized from Mr. Trump, the former president’s legal team argued that seized records marked as classified should remain off limits to the F.B.I. and prosecutors. They asked the judge, Aileen M. Cannon, to maintain her order barring agents from using any of the materials taken from his estate, Mar-a-Lago, until a so-called special master has vetted all of them.

The 21-page filing was an aggressive rebuke of the Justice Department’s broader inquiry into whether Mr. Trump or his aides illegally kept national security secrets at the property or obstructed the government’s repeated attempts to retrieve the materials. It played down the criminal inquiry as a “storage dispute” and insinuated that officials may have leaked information about the contents of the files.

You see in the photo the failing NY Times showed, that one document (top left, bottom right, whatever, but identify the damn thing) that's marked "TOP SECRET - CLASSIFIED - DO NOT THROW KETCHUP ON THIS"? Well, ma'am, President Trump declassified that one on June 18, 2019.