Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

[RVInit]

ETA: OK, I broke my own rule about asking questions before reading the entire thread.
The flight was May 8th, and the people carrying the boxes are aides according to the article.

This is not the first time The Pee Tapes has done this so I should have learned my lesson by now.

I don't think the title or job description of the person who carried the boxes was the point. The point is that he had all these banker boxes at Mar-A-Lago that contained classified documents and other documents that belonged to the US Government. And he obviously took eight similar boxes with him when he left Mar-A-Lago in the early part of May to go to Bedminster. I don't think it's a big deal if the guy got the title of the people who carried this stuff wrong, that was hardly the point.

[sugar magnolia]

ETA: OK, I broke my own rule about asking questions before reading the entire thread.
The flight was May 8th, and the people carrying the boxes are aides according to the article.

This is not the first time The Pee Tapes has done this so I should have learned my lesson by now.

I don't think the title or job description of the person who carried the boxes was the point. The point is that he had all these banker boxes at Mar-A-Lago that contained classified documents and other documents that belonged to the US Government. And he obviously took eight similar boxes with him when he left Mar-A-Lago in the early part of May to go to Bedminster. I don't think it's a big deal if the guy got the title of the people who carried this stuff wrong, that was hardly the point.

He also didn't bother to say the video was from 4 months ago, either. Multiple people have claimed that trump carries the boxes of documents with him as a matter of course, and apparently has done so for a long time. His breathless intimation that it's full of more classified documents isn't backed up by anything but conjecture at this point.

[Dr. Ken]

ETA: OK, I broke my own rule about asking questions before reading the entire thread.
The flight was May 8th, and the people carrying the boxes are aides according to the article.

This is not the first time The Pee Tapes has done this so I should have learned my lesson by now.

I don't think the title or job description of the person who carried the boxes was the point. The point is that he had all these banker boxes at Mar-A-Lago that contained classified documents and other documents that belonged to the US Government. And he obviously took eight similar boxes with him when he left Mar-A-Lago in the early part of May to go to Bedminster. I don't think it's a big deal if the guy got the title of the people who carried this stuff wrong, that was hardly the point.

He also didn't bother to say the video was from 4 months ago, either. Multiple people have claimed that trump carries the boxes of documents with him as a matter of course, and apparently has done so for a long time. His breathless intimation that it's full of more classified documents isn't backed up by anything but conjecture at this point.

It's probably all those blank pages from his health care plan.

[Foggy]

He always carried four or five Hunter Biden laptops, I know that much.

[p0rtia]

hi


ETA: OK, I broke my own rule about asking questions before reading the entire thread.
The flight was May 8th, and the people carrying the boxes are aides according to the article.

This is not the first time The Pee Tapes has done this so I should have learned my lesson by now.

I don't think the title or job description of the person who carried the boxes was the point. The point is that he had all these banker boxes at Mar-A-Lago that contained classified documents and other documents that belonged to the US Government. And he obviously took eight similar boxes with him when he left Mar-A-Lago in the early part of May to go to Bedminster. I don't think it's a big deal if the guy got the title of the people who carried this stuff wrong, that was hardly the point.

He also didn't bother to say the video was from 4 months ago, either. Multiple people have claimed that trump carries the boxes of documents with him as a matter of course, and apparently has done so for a long time. His breathless intimation that it's full of more classified documents isn't backed up by anything but conjecture at this point.

It’s become a rule of mine as I spend more time on Titter to Check the Date of any lefty porn I see before I take it onboard. It is a nasty Twitter habit aimed at getting the clicks. I say lefty, because the righty shit I assume is a lie to begin with. Plenty of low voltage Dem grifters out there.

[Foggy]

So today might could get interesting, depending on what Judge Loose decides to do with the Motion to Stay and Legal Ultimatum: she has until a week from yesterday. If she doesn't grant the motion by then, they're going to take it to the 11th Circuit. The brief was barely polite, with headings that said "The Court erred ..."

That means you messed up, Judge.

So let's see, what are her options and why did she ask for Trump’s lawyers to discuss the Motion to Stay?

1) She realizes she's the most famous political hack judge in this great land of ours, and she's going to grant the motion, but she has to give Trump’s lawyers a shot at changing her mind.

2) OR
She's pissed that a) there's a clear national consensus that her order was inexcusably bad, and b) the DOJ thinks they can get in her face like that, so she doubles down and appoints Roodles to be the Special (Very Special) Master.

3) OR
She decides that suddenly, this case is controlled by the Presidential Records Act after all, and she orders it transferred to our nation's capital for further adjudication.

4) OR
She orders the DOJ and FBI and everybody else to stop investigating the American Caesar and just go home and get ready for 2024.

... and there are probably a few dozen more options out there, huh?

And I haven't even mentioned the fact, she might decide to have another hearing in her courtroom before she decides the Motion to Stay.

On the Tee Vee, they used to say "We'll be right back after these important messages, so DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL."

'Course, here the "important messages" are the posts below this one.

[pipistrelle]

She was rated qualified, but I didn’t realize she’d never been a judge. Maybe she’s not grasping the role of a judge vs. that of an advocate. Mebbe the Federalist Society doesn’t go into that.

[realist]

She was rated qualified, but I didn’t realize she’d never been a judge. Maybe she’s not grasping the role of a judge vs. that of an advocate. Mebbe the Federalist Society doesn’t go into that.

Not only not a judge, but despite her years admitted to the bar, she was barely a lawyer.

[RVInit]

I don't think the title or job description of the person who carried the boxes was the point. The point is that he had all these banker boxes at Mar-A-Lago that contained classified documents and other documents that belonged to the US Government. And he obviously took eight similar boxes with him when he left Mar-A-Lago in the early part of May to go to Bedminster. I don't think it's a big deal if the guy got the title of the people who carried this stuff wrong, that was hardly the point.

He also didn't bother to say the video was from 4 months ago, either. Multiple people have claimed that trump carries the boxes of documents with him as a matter of course, and apparently has done so for a long time. His breathless intimation that it's full of more classified documents isn't backed up by anything but conjecture at this point.

It’s become a rule of mine as I spend more time on Titter to Check the Date of any lefty porn I see before I take it onboard. It is a nasty Twitter habit aimed at getting the clicks. I say lefty, because the righty shit I assume is a lie to begin with. Plenty of low voltage Dem grifters out there.

I love you, Portia, but should we have ignored the news that DOJ subpoenaed Trump for the classified docs because we found out about it months later? This video has POSSIBLE significance because he was subpoenaed for documents and just happened to load up eight banker boxes when he left Mar a Lago to go to Bedminster. People looking to compromise Trump will do so whenever and wherever they find him. I’m not claiming to know what’s in those boxes, but it’s something to tuck into the back of the mind in case we all the sudden learn Bedminster is being searched. Or some such thing.

[p0rtia]

He also didn't bother to say the video was from 4 months ago, either. Multiple people have claimed that trump carries the boxes of documents with him as a matter of course, and apparently has done so for a long time. His breathless intimation that it's full of more classified documents isn't backed up by anything but conjecture at this point.

It’s become a rule of mine as I spend more time on Titter to Check the Date of any lefty porn I see before I take it onboard. It is a nasty Twitter habit aimed at getting the clicks. I say lefty, because the righty shit I assume is a lie to begin with. Plenty of low voltage Dem grifters out there.

I love you, Portia, but should we have ignored the news that DOJ subpoenaed Trump for the classified docs because we found out about it months later? This video has POSSIBLE significance because he was subpoenaed for documents and just happened to load up eight banker boxes when he left Mar a Lago to go to Bedminster. People looking to compromise Trump will do so whenever and wherever they find him. I’m not claiming to know what’s in those boxes, but it’s something to tuck into the back of the mind in case we all the sudden learn Bedminster is being searched. Or some such thing.

I agree without reservation that the article was worth tweeting in the context of all the stories about TFG dragging his boxes all around the world. My post was focused on the point that the tweeter did not specify that the article was from years ago. I would have had no problem with the tweet had he done so.

Maybe I'm in a minority, but in today's communications world, if you're jumping on to a thread, wherever it is, and posting something is not current, I think you either you state something like "X months/years ago but relevant" or you are using it as click bait, because it's misleading not to.

This is 2022 and people who use social media are a savvy bunch; they know this. It's not an oversight to me, it's a sin of omission.

Which leads me to ask if anyone else is turned off by Occupy Democrat's non-stop regurgitation of every news item that hits the screen, followed by their inevitable tagline: "Like and retreat if you agree!"

Love you too, RV!!!

[Slim Cognito]

No matter how tempted I was to like and retweet a post, if they beg for it at the end, I immediately move on.

[p0rtia]

No matter how tempted I was to like and retweet a post, if they beg for it at the end, I immediately move on.

So glad to hear you say that. "I want everyone to follow you!" is another one that turns me right the hell off.

[Kendra]

Cannon gives Trump until Monday at 10 AM to file a response. She has to be hoping that he agrees to the partial stay to get her out of the mess she created. But it’s not in his DNA. But If he goes the “I declassified“ route, a cascade of troubles follow.

[raison de arizona]

Randos are spamming Judge Cannon with applications to be America's Next Top Special Master, as @ZoeTillman pointed out, and ... OMG, you guys.

[Slarti the White]

It’s become a rule of mine as I spend more time on Titter to Check the Date of any lefty porn (LP) I see before I take it onboard. It is a nasty Twitter habit aimed at getting the clicks. I say lefty, because the righty shit (RS) I assume is a lie to begin with. Plenty of low voltage Dem grifters out there.

I love the term "lefty porn" and I think that vetting things we agree with before we accept them is a very wise practice that far too many of us ignore, but I would suggest that the reciprocal treatment for the "righty shit", as you put it, is also a good idea.

[On a tangential note, I've been reading The Twilight of Democracy about the rise of authoritarianism and it's made me realize that, at least in my view, the most troubling shit is better labeled "authoritarian shit" rather than "righty shit" (the right is simply people who disagree about how a democratic republic should be run, the authoritarians are the ones who want to take power by subverting or destroying democratic institutions and the infrastructure of the polity of our republic) Just my opinion ]

While your assumption that any piece of RS you run into is a lie has a high rate of accuracy, it isn't 100% and any failure to note valid counterarguments is effectively a straw man fallacy. Besides, unless you understand another person's position accurately you are not qualified to critique it -- if you vet RS thoughtfully then you start to understand not just why they think but why they think that, which allows you to argue against it more effectively, especially when you are talking to someone who is neutral.

Personal, I try to vet any RS or LP I come across on three criteria: (1) Provenance -- of which the simple check you mentioned (the date) is one of the most important; (2) Logical fallacies -- fallacious arguments should not be construed as evidence for OR against; and (3) the merits -- how strongly does the evidence support or refute the proposition in question. As a scientist, I feel it is my job to bend over backwards to see if there is any evidence to prove the one and only thing anyone is capable of proving (besides mathematical theorems ): that I am wrong. If something fails to change my mind, then it is safe to use to support my position in an argument, but unless I honestly evaluate its quality then I have no way of correcting errors in my position.

In the case of something like the mishegoss we're discussing on this thread, that technique is very powerful since the evidence that passes vetting strongly favors one side. Anyway, just some random thoughts on my part triggered by my appreciation of your comment!


[edited to add that I strongly agree with your response to RVinit p0rtia! ]

[Ben-Prime]

The death of Elizabeth will also focus attention on her, with none left over for Trump. He'll hate that. Plus he won't be invited to the funeral, and Obama will be. Also, new King Charles despises Trump.

Bear in mind how little room Westminster Abbey has, and how many actual Commonwealth Heads of Government, for whom Her Majesty was ceremonially their Queen as well, will need to have room made for them.

[humblescribe]

Cannon gives Trump until Monday at 10 AM to file a response. She has to be hoping that he agrees to the partial stay to get her out of the mess she created. But it’s not in his DNA. But If he goes the “I declassified“ route, a cascade of troubles follow.

Whatever tRump files on Monday will be irrelevant. She'll just write their brief for them herself the way she wrote her original decision. And, she will deny the DOJs request in full.

I do not think she is the sharpest knife in the drawer. She exercised extremely poor judicial judgment, perhaps bordering on judicial malpractice (yes, judges are immune so excuse my locution.) She will double down on her decision and not fall on her sword. She wants to show the world that she is deserving of this judgeship.

[Gregg]

I do not think she is the sharpest knife in the drawer. She exercised extremely poor judicial judgment, perhaps bordering on judicial malpractice (yes, judges are immune so excuse my locution.) She will double down on her decision and not fall on her sword. She wants to show the world that she is deserving of this judgeship.

She's stating to sound like the Devin Nunes of Judges.

[Slim Cognito]

I believe the meme goes like this: Judge Cannon is the Devin Nunes of Amy Coney Barretts.

[Foggy]

I predict nothing. She has to see that there's a national consensus that her ruling is flat wrong. If you're right that "she wants to show the world that she is deserving of this judgeship," the way to do that is NOT to double down, but to back away instead. She doesn't even have to grant the motion, she could (and maybe should) simply transfer the whole mess to our nation's capital.

But even with her generous assistance, Trump is looking more and more guilty and evil every day. And this shit is DANGEROUS TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, LADY. I would never stop reminding her that super duper classified docs are MISSING, and we have to find out what they are and what happened to them.

After saying I don't read PDFs on my tablet last night, I naturally read a tweet about how great the brief is, so I read it on my tablet. Totally shameless, don't even try.

And it is a great brief, and yeah, it was not a pleasant thing to the judge, they definitely dropped the hammer on her, but Judge Loose has a clear choice - back down or double down, and the DOJ is very much showing her how it might blow up in her face.

Y'know, a conscientious judge will often have a recurring nightmare, that sometimes even comes true - they let a domestic violence suspect out on bail and he kills the woman. Or variations on the theme.

But Judge Loose, if she goes too far trying to help Trump ... and then we really find out some shit, like we find the money trail and the outright proof that Trump sold our nation's top secrets to the Saudis, or something so bad that he becomes a pariah for all recorded time, like Benedict Whatshisname - a thing which I suspect is more than possible - then she'd be included in the history books on the level of Dr. Samuel Mudd.

[pipistrelle]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 4860241186

[raison de arizona]

Interesting tactic.

Trump spokesperson says the FBI committed burglary at Mar-a-Lago: “They’re doing everything they can to possess stolen property. These are stolen records. We keep calling it a raid - this was a break-in. You do not raid the home of a former POTUS. That is a Banana Republic.”

[RVInit]

I agree without reservation that the article was worth tweeting in the context of all the stories about TFG dragging his boxes all around the world. My post was focused on the point that the tweeter did not specify that the article was from years ago. I would have had no problem with the tweet had he done so.

Maybe I'm in a minority, but in today's communications world, if you're jumping on to a thread, wherever it is, and posting something is not current, I think you either you state something like "X months/years ago but relevant" or you are using it as click bait, because it's misleading not to.

This is 2022 and people who use social media are a savvy bunch; they know this. It's not an oversight to me, it's a sin of omission.

Which leads me to ask if anyone else is turned off by Occupy Democrat's non-stop regurgitation of every news item that hits the screen, followed by their inevitable tagline: "Like and retreat if you agree!"

Love you too, RV!!!

I must have misread the year, when I read the article I swore it said May 2022, but it was May 2021. But I still think it's relevant since we know he had documents that he purloined from the US Government prior to May 2021, and here he is traveling from one of his clubs (where we know he stashed banker's boxes full of classified documents) with, guess what, banker's boxes. Of course, I am not implying that I know that he's carrying them around. But the funny thing is how many people on this very thread HAVE implied, with no more proof than I have, that he IS possibly doing things like selling, carrying around, showing, etc, his prize "possessions".

Anywho, I am not in the habit of nitpicking and harping on folks, and that was not my intent at all.

I would sure love to find out if he did in fact take some of those documents to other of his properties. I'm not sure why he would keep them at a property that he only spends winters. Of course, one explanation for why the motherlode might be found at Mar-a-Lago is because that property is a magnet for all those actual rich people, as well as all those spies, hell, half his staff is probably selling information to foreign nationals. He does love to show things like this off to his adoring fans.

[jemcanada2]

Well, she’s not wrong. They are stolen records.

Only the best lawyers

[Slim Cognito]

The names are in!

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 3.83.0.pdf

Government’s Proposed Candidates

The Honorable Barbara S. Jones (ret.) – retired judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, partner in Bracewell LLP, and special master in In re: in the Matter of Search Warrants Executed on April 28, 2021 and In the Matter of Search Warrants
Executed on April 9, 2018.

The Honorable Thomas B. Griffith (ret.) – retired Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, special counsel in Hunton Andrews Kurth LLP, and Lecturer on Law at Harvard Law School.


Plaintiff’s Proposed Candidates


The Honorable Raymond J. Dearie (ret.) – former Chief Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York, served on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, formerly the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York.

Paul Huck, Jr.—founder, The Huck Law Firm, former Jones Day partner, former General Counsel to the Governor, former Deputy Attorney General for the State of Florida.