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Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:56 am The point was that the Police actions were inappropriate because the filmer was not interfering with the arrest. The right to film is NOT unrestricted. The police are still allowed to tell a filmer to stand a distance away from the arrest and the filmer is not allowed to interfere with the arrest. If you do you are breaking the law.

Nobody is allowed to interfer in an arrest. Legally the charge of "interfering" requires a person to stand inbetween the police officer and the detainee or get physical with them. There is no required distance defined between the poice officer and their person, something around ten feet seems to be the acceptable distance to be near a police interaction. At most a police officer may detain a person and put him/her in a police cruiser until the action is over, then release the person. Arresting a person is usually an immediate action. As for traffic accidents or other traffic stops it's up to the police to put up crime tape to deliminate the area where they do not want an observer to stand.

Uh, you are wrong about the police tape. And of course we have seen frauditors trying to get through police tape too when confronted with that. So that excuse gets forgotten about when its convenient and they want content.

And I've seen lots of examples where someone being detained turns into an arrest. Your mistake about detaining vs arresting is seen a lot with the videos I see where people shout and scream about being detained and then get pissed about getting arrested after being detained.

Technically you are detained while the police officer is investigating, and then arrested once the facts have been attained. So, yes, you are basically wrong.

And there is nothing about the basic fact that Mims proved that you don't have an unlimited right to film public servants doing their job. Plus, Officers generally tell people to step back 10 feet and that it's ok to film there. But thats not good for content.

Mims said the officers were wrong because the filmer was not interfering with their work. If you do interfere with police work, then you can be detained or arrested. Period. Filming someone in such a way as to provoke a reaction is interfering in anyone's book. Being asked to stop means that you are interfering in such way as to degrade them doing their job.

Not exactly the 1AA who enters postoffices, but one fights for his 1A right to "protest" (quietly) and holds free speech (usualy a handwritten cardboard sign) on a "traditional public forum", like sidewalks or steps of a city town hall or other public building.

Note the police officers attitude. "we don't care what the law says, here goes what I say". Below two more notices to sue. Jeff Grey had recently two other settlemenst. The states of Georgia and Alabbama seem to be prone to this attitude.

One of Ragical's favorite people; Silencboy does his first amendment defense by loudly talking into his camera in a post office and ignores everyone telling him to quit it. "Because I'm allowed to!" All entitlement, zero responsibility or empathy for other people.

This link is to a playlist of this guys greatest hits if you are inspired by him.

Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:45 pm One of Ragical's favorite people; Silencboy does his first amendment defense by loudly talking into his camera in a post office and ignores everyone telling him to quit it. "Because I'm allowed to!" All entitlement, zero responsibility or empathy for other people.

This link is to a playlist of this guys greatest hits if you are inspired by him.

He's an activist fighting for our right to annoy alfresco diners, creep-out young women, etc., because he can. And especially when his victims ask him not to.

A Sherrif issues a statement when a "Constitutional Activist" posts a 24 second video showing alleged violations and Tranny. The county police responded by posting the full body cam footage. This caused the "activist" to issue a written apology, agree to 10 hours of community service, Admit that his actions were wrong, and withdraw his charges, in return for all charges against him being dropped.

The fact that the activist was shown repeatedly apologizing to the officers for his actions after he was arrested and asking to be released, footage and information that he forgot to share with his adoring youtube fans, might have had something to do with it.

No I have no idea what the 24 seconds of footage was. This popped up in my recommended whatzits

Dennis Quaid and Nick Offerman are starring in a movie about sovereign citizens now filming in Fayetteville, Arkansas, per the local paper: https://fayettevilleflyer.com/2024/02/1 ... etteville/

It's apparently about the murder of two cops by a father-and-son duo who were pulled over while driving around the country giving seminars in 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_West ... _shootings

johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:14 pm Dennis Quaid and Nick Offerman are starring in a movie about sovereign citizens now filming in Fayetteville, Arkansas, per the local paper: https://fayettevilleflyer.com/2024/02/1 ... etteville/

It's apparently about the murder of two cops by a father-and-son duo who were pulled over while driving around the country giving seminars in 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_West ... _shootings

There was a storyline on the show Bosch (Amazon Prime) that involved sovcits. I hope this Quaid movie shows how dumb it all is.

This video is educational. Firstly the title is misleading. the guy here is just charged with a Class C misdemeanor.

But the content is beautiful. Not only do the security and police show the "Auditor" where it is posted that he cant film, they point out there the policies are posted and when the guy demands to see the law they point out the law. Then he starts arguing that something is a lobby and not reception. Then he says "This says I can ask for permission to fi-" "Denied."



Basically the "auditors" have stirred up enough nonsense to actually be noticed and get the powers that bee to actually get off their ass to do something. So people are actually receiving training on how to deal with them and they have the confidence to shut them down.

But even better, when the Police show up to give him the citation the Frauditor starts his crap and the police officer "Highly recommends" that he look up the case of "US V Cordova." And later says his name is Christopher Cordova, so I was able to find the Case.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66 ... v-cordova/

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 4.16.0.pdf

Basically, its actual case law that shows that their arguments are bogus and that they cannot film wherever they want. Based on this, Persecutors are actually going to have the confidence to come down on these guys harder than they have been, rather than treating them with kid gloves.

So, the good times of free money from youtube & Donations, and pretending to be an activist, are coming to an end. Send Money.

A Judge explains that you cant claim stuff under the UCC and simultaneously claim laws don't apply to you.

OK I have seen a different clip of this guy, I think a later one on the timeline. He went thru several lawyers. In my video the judge told him that he is unable to find a public defender who will work with him, that he is free to look for a lawyer, or have his family assist to find one. Until then his proceedings will be put on hold and he will remain on pretrial detention. Earliest next trial date would be like six months from the hearing. At the time he was awaiting a mental evaluation that somehow was mutiple times postponed cause he disagreed to it. The judge ordered the mental evaluation now to be taken in jail. For a part he is hiding behind the perception of being a mental case and it brings him some benefits.

Personally I believe he has limited mental issues and low education and really cannot grasp what is going on. He just jumped the sovcit bandwaggon not even understanding what he is babbling about. A sorrow case of the US health system that ought to put him into some kind of assisted living.

not a sovcit but rather a 1AA / civil rights activist Jeff Grey

RTH10260 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:31 pm not a sovcit but rather a 1AA / civil rights activist Jeff Grey

That's my mother's hometown and has a population of about 5,000 people. Chickens outnumber people by about 5:1. We're headed there later this week to shop at a cool little import sop they have.

one of the less confrontational 1AA

Notice that police do not show up cause it is public property without any access limiting signage.

Sure, that's not confrontational at all.

Reminds me of how that "Private Attorney General" Sov Cit (who's name escapes me) walked into a Sheriffs office and talked his way into getting a "peace officer" badge because the people there weren't sure what he was talking about and it sounded plausible. Like this guy, He wasn't "confrontational" at all, just spouting shit. But when they actually checked into it afterwards and found out he was full of shit, they dropped the hammer on him.

We all know that if they had ejected him as they should have he would have been VERY confrontational.

PLUS we have all heard criminals complain that the police SEEMED to be on the persons side, when in fact they were just humoring the Perp to gather evidence on him, and they issued the charges later. Mr Frauditor will likely forget to film himself receiving the charges in the mail, and the order to stay away in future or else.

Army areas tend to be under the Jurisdiction of Military Police anyway, at least over here in Socialist Europe.

Suranis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:53 pm A Judge explains that you cant claim stuff under the UCC and simultaneously claim laws don't apply to you.

I think that the judge made a minor mistake. She stated that the UCC is a federal law. IANAL, but it is my understanding that the UCC was a model law created by some legal organizations, but that it was submitted to all 50 state legislatures and passed, essentially unchanged in all states. This was done so that contract law, in particular, would be uniform from state to state, making it easier to do business across state lines.

But it was never passed by the US Congress.

Suranis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:44 pm

Reminds me of how that "Private Attorney General" Sov Cit (who's name escapes me) walked into a Sheriffs office and talked his way into getting a "peace officer" badge because the people there weren't sure what he was talking about and it sounded plausible. Like this guy, He wasn't "confrontational" at all, just spouting shit. But when they actually checked into it afterwards and found out he was full of shit, they dropped the hammer on him.

Anthony Troy Williams....

Currently serving out a 15 year bid in the Florida DoC...

Afterwards he gets to start serving his 20 year bid in Club Fed....

Ooooh yes. Our fair Anthony.

Anyway, this is an interesting one. Frauditor Rouge Nation, dressed in a fetching facemask with a Middle finger design on it made up of the words "fuck you" attempted to film a Coast Guard training Facility by standing right nct to the gate. He was immediately stopped by the Security guards who told him this was Government property.

Police were called and he demanded a Supervisor, insisting that the Grass he was standing on was Public and was NOT Property of the Coast Guard. The Supervisor came, and told him that if he wanted to film the Base he had to get to the other side of the street. Pleas that he was the Press etc didn't work. and he eventually wandered over to the other side of the street, spitting insults at the police when they were out of earshot.

The police left and So did Rogue Nation (apparently no longer interested in filming since the money generating fighty encounter was over) to find the police running the tags on his car to see if it had been abandoned. The verified he was the owner and he was allowed to leave. End of encounter.

SO. ya. Pretty much a nothing burder. Only Rogue Nation decided to Sue them, citing First and fourth Ammendment Violations. And Lost.

He Appealed. Lost.

And then was hit with $3000 in costs for filing a meritless lawsuit.

Of course if he had stood on the otherside of the Street in the first place there would not have been a mighty battle for freedom.

Anyway, the video is an hour long and is filled with tect from the court case. He would probably not be classed as confrontational by people who are desensitized to this sort of thing. Just standing up for Rights, even though its clear he did NOT have any rights to folm on the Base property. Plus it is clear, again, that the Police didn't give a shit about him filming, but when the Security guards told hi, to stop he should have, or crossed the street to do it.

So when these numbnuts youtubes get posted here WHO exactly is getting the onetary benefit?

Are we just adding to the problem?

Poor Crissy
Clackamas County mother who gave her daughter CBD oil to treat liver cancer gets 90 days in jail\
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/invest ... -autopilot
PORTLAND, Oregon — A Clackamas County judge sentenced a mother to 90 days in prison for interfering with her daughter’s care by refusing established medical treatment. Prosecutors claim Christina Dixon, 39, tried to treat her daughter’s liver cancer with CBD oil.

In November, a jury found Dixon guilty of custodial interference and criminal mistreatment for refusing doctor’s orders and interfering with her care.
The case sparked debate over a parent’s right to control medical care. In 2020, Dixon told KGW she didn’t believe chemotherapy was helping her then 13-year-old daughter Kylee. Instead, the Wilsonville mother used alternative treatments, including vitamins, herbs and CBD oil to treat Kylee’s cancer at home.

The case caused much uproar from the alternative medicine community. Though CBD may alleviate some symptoms of cancer, such as nausea and pain relief, the substance cannot actually cure or control the disease.

Doctors wanted to remove the cancerous tumor. Instead, prosecutors claim Dixon ignored a state order to bring her daughter in for medical treatment and fled to Las Vegas, where the FBI tracked the pair down.

keith wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:47 pm So when these numbnuts youtubes get posted here WHO exactly is getting the onetary benefit?

Are we just adding to the problem?

Most of the posts are from a number of people who clown on the sovcit/frauditor and the idiots don't get the YouTube views. Van Balion, Law Talk With Mike, etc, do the work and we get to giggle.

keith wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:47 pm So when these numbnuts youtubes get posted here WHO exactly is getting the onetary benefit?

Are we just adding to the problem?

The monetary benefit comes both per view and number of channel subscriptions. It is low for most 1AA. Only a limited number get some income from the Youtube advertising participation programs. Only a handful of the well accepted for good content get an income that will make a living (needs to have well over 100K subscribers, nearer to the 500K mark).

RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:05 am

keith wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:47 pm So when these numbnuts youtubes get posted here WHO exactly is getting the onetary benefit?

Are we just adding to the problem?

The monetary benefit comes both per view and number of channel subscriptions. It is low for most 1AA. Only a limited number get some income from the Youtube advertising participation programs. Only a handful of the well accepted for good content get an income that will make a living (needs to have well over 100K subscribers, nearer to the 500K mark).

Add in there the donation button on the videos and the ability of grifters to separate idiots from their cash. e-begging is part of these videos.

If this wasn't extremely lucrative, there wouldn't be so many assholes doing it. People don't leap on bandwagons out of the goodness of their hearts, no matter how much their Heart bleeds for fweedum und Wights. And if there was no money in it people would give up pretty quickly.

Sorry, I'm tossing the claims of Poverty and doing it for the love of 'merica in the same bin I throw everything else.

Don’t underestimate the value they derive from being dicks for clicks.