Fogbow

I don’t know why this thread has gone so far askew from the topic.
We send these folks to Washington to do our bidding. This thread (I think) was intended to address “debt”.
When I look at the last few responses, they seem to be about a poster’s credibility????

Got it, or maybe not. It’s clear to me that some posters here are so enamored with the folks they voted for than that the fact that they extend the limit they instituted. Sorry, I don’t get it.

Keep posting otherwise if you must.

You posted another dishonest video and spent 4 days trying to deflect those who noticed, that's how it got off-topic.

But we can go back to the topic now, which is about the dishonest Republicans refusing to increase the debt ceiling when Democrats are in the White House.

That's the topic, and it isn't going to change. Carry on.

pjhimself wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:27 pm I don’t know why this thread has gone so far askew from the topic.
We send these folks to Washington to do our bidding. This thread (I think) was intended to address “debt”.

No. The title of the thread pretty clearly indicates it was “intended to address” Republicans taking the debt ceiling hostage in order to extract political concessions from any Democratic administration.

You would like (I think) to have a broader range discussion about the debt, the potentially positive effects of abiding by a debt ceiling that’s been established, and apportioning responsibility for that not having been done. I’d suggest you start such a thread yourself.

Excellent idea.

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:30 pm You posted another dishonest video, that's how it got off-topic.

But we can go back to the topic now, which is about the dishonest Republicans refusing to increase the debt ceiling when Democrats are in the White House.

That's the topic, and it isn't going to change. Carry on.

Clearly you didn’t read or understand the title of the subject video,
Whether pubs or dems are dishonest is a subject you may wish to open elsewhere.
If there aren’t threads on this there should be.

Calling this poster dishonest is an issue you may choose to revisit (probably not). Name calling (and profanity)
seems to fit your approach. Guess what, childish BS aside, perhaps substance might be important.

Your language choice is Not for me to choose but you’re an adult and will manage your home as you will.
Profanity is not My choice

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:58 pm

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:38 pm The whole premise of the video you posted was that Biden was at fault here. Are you backing off that now?

No, he's desperately trying to change the subject. I'm about to restrict him to the sports threads. He can't be honest elsewhere.

Don’t disagree with the boss, you’ll be “restricted”.
Welcome to Fogbow for having an opinion…….unless it’s ours….
Oh by the way, evidence of “changing the subject”
Opinions not welcome……..

Pj, fyi

The motto of the board is "falsehood unchallenged fester and grow"

If you continue to assert falsehoods, you should expect to be challenged.

Don’t bother. He won’t accept anything you say. His mind is done made up. So there.

No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC wrote: Kevin McCarthy just said he is hitting “pause” on negotiations that would prevent America from defaulting and the economy collapsing.

Why? Because Trump just ordered him to.

Yeah, that's going to play well when social security checks don't show up.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 5:42 pm Yeah, that's going to play well when social security checks don't show up.

That'll be BIDEN's fault!

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 5:42 pm Yeah, that's going to play well when social security checks don't show up.

How will the MAGAts send money to their Dear Leader if they don’t get their cheques?

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I recall no debt ceiling fight and gov temp shutdown that resulted in social security payments not going out. Republicans would exempt that. Those elderly are their base.

Good point about base. I am on social security but I am not too worried about it until I start losing investment.
Has anyone addressed the Medicare payments? Would hospitals/doctors start seeing delayed payments?

Getting back to the topic, looking at the wikipaedia article. The main topics reinforce the title of this thread. The only debt crises were during democratic presidencies.

I would like to see a chart correlating debt limit, crisis, presidencies, congressional majorities. Does that make sense?

One more personal observation, off topic. The debt limit loped along for the most part in the sub 100bn range until reagan. Since then more have been sub 1tn range.

Reddog wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 7:02 pm Getting back to the topic, looking at the wikipaedia article. The main topics reinforce the title of this thread. The only debt crises were during democratic presidencies.

I would like to see a chart correlating debt limit, crisis, presidencies, congressional majorities. Does that make sense?

Cool. Feel free to make one.

If you want me to do your work for you my rates are $20 an hour, including a long lunchbreak.

Millions of job cuts, no Social Security, immediate recession: Here’s how gnarly a national debt default would be
https://fortune.com/2023/05/17/how-bad- ... -security/

Millions of people in the U.S. rely on benefits that could go unpaid and services that could be disrupted, or halted altogether, if the government can’t pay its bills for an extended period.

If the economy tanked due to default, more than 8 million people could lose their jobs, government officials estimate. Millions of Social Security beneficiaries, veterans and military families could lose their monthly payments. Vital federal services including border and air traffic control could be disrupted if workers can’t get their government paychecks.

Lots of articles are available.

when a picture is worth 1000 words

Mandatory sartorial snark - Those socks! What was he thinking????

poplove wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 7:58 pm

when a picture is worth 1000 words

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/statu ... 4313736193

reminds me of

Dave from down under wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 8:36 pm Mandatory sartorial snark - Those socks! What was he thinking????

Someone needs to add a comic strip balloon coming from Biden:

"OMG! Look at those socks!"

Suranis wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 5:01 am

Reddog wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 7:02 pm Getting back to the topic, looking at the wikipaedia article. The main topics reinforce the title of this thread. The only debt crises were during democratic presidencies.

I would like to see a chart correlating debt limit, crisis, presidencies, congressional majorities. Does that make sense?

Cool. Feel free to make one.

If you want me to do your work for you my rates are $20 an hour, including a long lunchbreak.

Here's a place to start, but I'm not sure it marks against debt limit rising.

National Debt Graph

There is no ceiling on debt. There is also no limit on how much money the Mint can sell to the Fed Reserve.

IOW, they could issue a trillion dollar coin thus ending the "debt" discussion.

Listen to Marketplace May 22 2023: 37 Words

So allegedly Trump tells the invertebrate to not cave until they get everything because that is what the D's do. This is based on the right's idea of negotiation where, if they don't get everything they demand, the other side is not not negotiating in good faith.

But here's what I expect. If Biden caved on everything, they would move the goalposts. What they want does not involve debt, spending, or taxes. Their only goal is to beat Biden.

northland10 wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:37 am
But here's what I expect. If Biden caved on everything, they would move the goalposts. What they want does not involve debt, spending, or taxes. Their only goal is to beat Biden.