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Thanks chancery
I have noticed that you appear to know a little about the law! 
Isn't the opportunity to bask in the presence of the bestest President evah payment enough?Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:30 am I wonder if Trump will pay Habba? Perhaps he'll give her a bunch of trading cards, a few leftover Trump Steaks and an honorary doctorate of Trump University?
Trump is finding out that lawyer-wise "you get what you don't pay for."
The only way a fourth-rate (or lower) attorney could make millions.noblepa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:01 pmIsn't the opportunity to bask in the presence of the bestest President evah payment enough?Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:30 am I wonder if Trump will pay Habba? Perhaps he'll give her a bunch of trading cards, a few leftover Trump Steaks and an honorary doctorate of Trump University?
Trump is finding out that lawyer-wise "you get what you don't pay for."
Seriously, it has been reported that his PAC paid her law firm several million already.
Fogbar: is that in our dictionary yet?Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:51 pmThanks chancery
Srsly, I and others appreciate when excellent Fogbar lawyers explain, analyze or evaluate for us hoi polloi. And of course the court reporting by RC and others
There is, of course, the tort of malpractice ("professional negligence").
Good luck to Trump in engaging an attorney for that lawsuit!
Jumping in rather late, but wanted to add that Inner City reported that Robbie Kaplan asked the jurors to imagine how they would feel if, like Carroll, they found themselves alone in a hotel room, reading death threats and other hate. I wondered if Habba had copied Kaplan's technique (IANAL).Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:30 am I saw a tweet (or xit or whatever it's called) about the highlighted bit:The author of the tweet (sorry, can't find it) wrote it is basic trial law that you can't ask a jury to do put themselves in the defendant's position, or at least that's what I think the author said, it was brief and I'm no lawguy.Reality Check wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:17 pm AH concludes, rebuttal by EJC attorney Crowley:Habba: Imagine you are living your life. You have a family, a beautiful wife, and an important job to do. You're hit with an allegations. There are no facts -
Roberta Kaplan: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Is that because the jury should be assessing and evaluating on the facts as testified (or exhibited in evidence), not imagining anything?
The tweeter (or xitter?) said this was a prime example of how Habba is not a good trial lawyer. And someone (here? elsewhere?) mentioned that "ineffective assistance of counsel" is not grounds for appeal in a civil case, it's up to a civil defendant to ensure they have effective counsel who will present their argument well.
I wonder if Trump will pay Habba? Perhaps he'll give her a bunch of trading cards, a few leftover Trump Steaks and an honorary doctorate of Trump University?
Trump is finding out that lawyer-wise "you get what you don't pay for."
On Friday, Kaplan made an appearance on CNN where she discussed the verdict with host Anderson Cooper, during which time she said that that the former president, who remains the overwhelming favorite for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination, had committed perjury during the course of the second trial.
When asked about Trump's time being called as a witness for his own defense, Kaplan said that a jury needs to be able to trust a witness when they hear their testimony, something she argued Trump did not during this trial, adding that the jury saw him commit perjury on the stand.
"He lied again on the stand. He again said 'I standby everything I said in my deposition which was I did nothing to E. Jean Carroll, never met her, she's a whack job, never heard of her,'" Kaplan said. "So he not only committed perjury, but the jury themselves saw him commit perjury."
She added: "And then they watched his deposition video, where he pointed out, as everyone knows, that famous photo of him, Ivana [Trump], and E. Jean and her then-husband, and he points to E. Jean and he says, 'That's Marla Maples.' And then, my favorite part of it is once he realizes he made a mistake, he says, 'Oh, it's a blurry photo.' And I said to the jury, 'you saw the photo...it's not a blurry photo.'"
I was picking up on the Golden Rule part of the discussion.jcolvin2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:23 pmFrom context, the objection was not aimed at the "imagine" portion of the closing, but rather at Habba's assertion that, "There are no facts," which Trump was prohibited from contesting in light of the earlier trial.p0rtia wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:12 pmJumping in rather late, but wanted to add that Inner City reported that Robbie Kaplan asked the jurors to imagine how they would feel if, like Carroll, they found themselves alone in a hotel room, reading death threats and other hate. I wondered if Habba had copied Kaplan's technique (IANAL).Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:30 am I saw a tweet (or xit or whatever it's called) about the highlighted bit:
The author of the tweet (sorry, can't find it) wrote it is basic trial law that you can't ask a jury to do put themselves in the defendant's position, or at least that's what I think the author said, it was brief and I'm no lawguy.
Is that because the jury should be assessing and evaluating on the facts as testified (or exhibited in evidence), not imagining anything?
The tweeter (or xitter?) said this was a prime example of how Habba is not a good trial lawyer. And someone (here? elsewhere?) mentioned that "ineffective assistance of counsel" is not grounds for appeal in a civil case, it's up to a civil defendant to ensure they have effective counsel who will present their argument well.
I wonder if Trump will pay Habba? Perhaps he'll give her a bunch of trading cards, a few leftover Trump Steaks and an honorary doctorate of Trump University?
Trump is finding out that lawyer-wise "you get what you don't pay for."
Oh yeah. An African swallow, maybe -- but not a European swallow, that's my point.bob wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:19 pm There is, of course, the tort of malpractice ("professional negligence").
He could sue Habba (or, perhaps more accurately, her insurance carrier) and get a judgment that she pay him to cover what he has to pay Carroll.
But he's not going to that, for a variety of reasons.
If Habba's career had taken a different path, and if she had made different kinds of choices, she might have turned into a competent sort of lawyer.It had once been noted at the Bar, that while Mr. Stryver was a glib man, and an unscrupulous, and a ready, and a bold, he had not that faculty of extracting the essence from a heap of statements, which is among the most striking and necessary of the advocate’s accomplishments. But, a remarkable improvement came upon him as to this. The more business he got, the greater his power seemed to grow of getting at its pith and marrow; and however late at night he sat carousing with Sydney Carton, he always had his points at his fingers’ ends in the morning.
At last, it began to get about, among such as were interested in the matter, that although Sydney Carton would never be a lion, he was an amazingly good jackal, and that he rendered suit and service to Stryver in that humble capacity.
Instead of an amazingly pretty jackal?chancery wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:26 pm I'm reminded (only a little, but it's a wonderful passage) of Dickens' description of Mr. Stryver in A Tale of Two Cities.
If Habba's career had taken a different path, and if she had made different kinds of choices, she might have turned into a competent sort of lawyer.It had once been noted at the Bar, that while Mr. Stryver was a glib man, and an unscrupulous, and a ready, and a bold, he had not that faculty of extracting the essence from a heap of statements, which is among the most striking and necessary of the advocate’s accomplishments. But, a remarkable improvement came upon him as to this. The more business he got, the greater his power seemed to grow of getting at its pith and marrow; and however late at night he sat carousing with Sydney Carton, he always had his points at his fingers’ ends in the morning.
At last, it began to get about, among such as were interested in the matter, that although Sydney Carton would never be a lion, he was an amazingly good jackal, and that he rendered suit and service to Stryver in that humble capacity.
The transcripts are available now, bring money, lots of money.
Reality Check wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:12 pm I think her conduct was probably worthy of sanction but I do not expect Carroll's attorneys to ask nor Judge Kaplan to act on his own either. They will let the jury verdict speak as to her bad conduct.
Looks like it was taken down.sad-cafe wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:31 pmshit I should have done this I could pay off my student loansmuch ado wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:54 amSomeone named Jimmy Burke organized it and donated the first $10.poplove wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:28 am $20 so far!
https://www.gofundme.com/f/vtgub-donald ... legal-fund
actually, I just reported this
Very good. I didn't think it would last long and I saw some tweets about similar fundraisers getting axed.
