Fogbow

Chilidog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:07 pm

Unless it's Roger Stone. Or Kash Patel or something.

Chilidog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:24 am

chancery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 am Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the 40 page brief will likely be reserved, measured, focused, and respectful towards Trump, his lawyers, and the judge. In other words, not as much fun to read as we would like.

That's ok, as long as it rips his legal claims to shreds.

Indeed, legal shade is sometimes the best kind.

Brief is due today, right?

Regarding the upcoming DOJ 40 page filing, Neal Katyal. ex Solicitor Gen., said it would be public. Moreover, that it would be more of the DOJ speaking through their filings, so TFG should duck.

Not the detailed list, obiously. I don't think anyone expects to see that.

I dunno, but I blame Trump for filing a second case about the same raid search. It's confuzzling, trying to follow two cases in two different courts regarding one little search warrant. He's messing with Fogbow now!

That's true, Foggy, many people are saying the dotard did it just to mess around with YOU personally and piss off The Fogbow. He's been holding a grudge personally since the birther days when you personally got President Obama to humiliate him at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Apparently your pal Amy Kremer had a hand in this, too also, you need to call her and tell her knock it off.

Original Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart's case: United States v. Sealed Search Warrant (9:22-mj-08332) District Court, S.D. Florida
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64 ... h-warrant/

Trumper Judge Aileen M. Cannon's case: Trump v. United States (9:22-cv-81294) District Court, S.D. Florida (where USA's public response is due today)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64 ... ed-states/


Suzie, excited to see it too but this Trumper judge issued the order on Saturday, Aug 27, 2022 and wants it in by today. Doesn't specify a time and DOJ likes filing at 11:59:59. Notable that this rush is after it was the dotard who waited 2 weeks after the search warrant was executed.

What will be funny is "Plaintiff shall file a Reply to Defendant’s Response on or before August 31, 2022, at 8:00 p.m." The crack dotard dream team gets one day. The later the government files tonight, the less time the dotard will have to work on their Reply since they have the 8pm deadling. Of course, knowing them, their team might say, "Is that 8pm Hawaii time?" after hiring Mike Dunford tonight.

And then a Court hearing on Sept 1!

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:14 pm I
WHY does the DOJ need forty pages, then? Surely she has some basic knowledge of the plaintiff's arguments and what the basic facts are, since she said she's already knowledgeable enough that she is inclined to appoint a special master.

I think they need forty pages because they’re going to list each document with an explanation about whether it is classified or privileged or whatever.

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:38 pm

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:14 pm I
WHY does the DOJ need forty pages, then? Surely she has some basic knowledge of the plaintiff's arguments and what the basic facts are, since she said she's already knowledgeable enough that she is inclined to appoint a special master.

I think they need forty pages because they’re going to list each document with an explanation about whether it is classified or privileged or whatever.

Yeah, I agree. Their goal is to make it as clear as possible to the public just how bad Trump's actions were while avoiding making publc any information that would damage our national security interests.

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:38 pm

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:14 pm I
WHY does the DOJ need forty pages, then? Surely she has some basic knowledge of the plaintiff's arguments and what the basic facts are, since she said she's already knowledgeable enough that she is inclined to appoint a special master.

I think they need forty pages because they’re going to list each document with an explanation about whether it is classified or privileged or whatever.

I wonder it it will say something like "top secret document XYZ, 36 of 43 pages recovered."

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:38 pm I think they need forty pages because they’re going to list each document with an explanation about whether it is classified or privileged or whatever.

But isn't that covered by item 3(b)(i) of the order, the "detailed receipt of all materials seized"? That one will be under seal.

I'm talking about item 3(a). Publicly file a response to the Motion blah blah blah. That's what will be 40 pages.

Item 3(b)(i) is a separate document, yesno?

I actually don't think they can make public a list of everything they seized after the judge told them to file that under seal. I'm missing something (a few marbles, yeah yeah).

This is getting complicated at times.

If I have it correctly, what's due today is the DOJ's response to the request for a Special Master, and I think that's going to be public, but who knows for sure?

Under seal is the more precise list of items taken during the search of MaL. I don't know if that's due today or later, but I'm pretty sure the hearing to settle it is Thursday. None of the talking legal peeps I've seen on the TV the last few days can figure out why this judge stepped into the middle of it since it's not her jurisdiction and all.

I'm pretty sure they are not going to use their forty pages to explain why this is bad for Biden.

Interesting observation: none of his previous coworkers, no cabinet members have appeared in the press

Trump has found a capable lawyer.

Yeah, actually, the judge ordered four documents:

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Item	Party	Document	Due by	Under seal?
3(a)	United States	Response to Motion & Supplement	August 30	No
3(b)(i)	United States	detailed receipt of seized materials	August 30	Yes
3(b)(ii)	United States	Notice of status of review	August 30	Yes
3(c)	Donald Trump	Reply to 3(a)	August 31 @ 8:00 pm	No

Yup and posted the order with details under Foggy's post on this page... the later they file today, the less time the dotard has to reply since his is due tomorrow by 8pm. Today's doesn't have a time requirement.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:28 pm I'm totally using the picture to spread the word that Felito is taking over the Sean Connery role in a remake of Zardoz, though.

Yikes! That's scary on SOOOO many levels!

Yes, and also too, by filing it as late as possible today, they guarandamntee that we can't discuss it on the Fogbow Virtual Meetup at 7:30 pm tonight!

They're messing with us, I tells ya.

Huh. Its 9:26pm in Civilised countries right now...

Whelp, the twitter reporters say the two sealed documents have been filed. Now we're waiting for what we're all dying to see to come through

PACER - don't crash OK?

Just showed up, no links or info...

Aug 30, 2022 SYSTEM ENTRY - Docket Entry 39 [misc] restricted/sealed until further notice. (pcs)

Aug 30, 2022 SYSTEM ENTRY - Docket Entry 40 [misc] restricted/sealed until further notice. (pcs)

Aug 30, 2022 Order

(I prefer the Larry Kert version but it's the point of Something's Coming from West Side Story)

orlylicious wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:51 pm Yup and posted the order with details under Foggy's post on this page... the later they file today, the less time the dotard has to reply since his is due tomorrow by 8pm. Today's doesn't have a time requirement.


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I was thinking the same thing earlier. The DOJ could really jam up ShitGibbon’s team by waiting till 11:59 tonight to file. That would give the Trumpers just 20 hours to respond, with a big portion of that time being before the sun comes up.

Meanwhile Raj Patel has come back, with a new seal! He had to be a birther in the olden days.

Yah DOJ should make Trump's fancy new lawyer work all night. If Trump pays him for an all-nighter, that is.

OMG, I was never student body president at any school anywhere.

I feel so inadequate!