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Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:00 pm
by bob
To recap: The judge gave the government three days to respond. Instead of asking more time, the government instead asked to more pages. Almost a "MORE WEIGHT!" flex.

This continues to show that he has no strategy. The way for him to control the narrative is to leak, tweet twuth, and use surrogates. Every time he insists on going to court, the government will take the opportunity to tell (read: dish and spill) its story. We will learn more, and it will be bad for him.

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And this is what happens when you invite the circus to town: clowns will, unsolicited, drop off their resumes.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:03 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
40 pages, huh? Wonder if it's the exhaustive list of everything they seized. "Too late for a Special Master, we've already gone through everything." I mean, the judge did ask them to provide more detail on what was removed. Malicious compliance. :boxing:

NB: I actually don't have a problem with assigning a Big Deal Special Master, so long as the BDSM is unbiased.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:11 pm
by Kriselda Gray
Among the replies to Popehat's tweet of the judicial spam above is this note from UncleFuzzzy (bottom tweet):


Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:37 pm
by Luke
Cross-posting from Biden since clearly, he's going to be talking about the dotard without mentioning him by name. Interesting timing before Labor Day weekend, they're thinking folks will be talking about the MAGA Party over the holiday weekend.
Biden to deliver prime-time address on democracy Thursday
The speech, one of Biden’s few in prime time, reaffirms his rhetorical shift to a greater stress on the threat to democratic values
By Mariana Alfaro and Tyler Pager
August 29, 2022 at 6:57 p.m. EDT

President Biden will deliver a prime-time address Thursday on the fight for democracy in America and “the continued battle for the soul of the nation,” a White House official said Monday, an address that is likely to confirm his growing rhetorical emphasis on the anti-democratic forces he sees as capturing much of the Republican Party.

Speaking at Philadelphia’s Independence National Historical Park, the president is expected to highlight his administration’s achievements and argue that the country’s democratic values will be at stake during the midterm elections.

“He will talk about the progress we have made as a nation to protect our democracy, but how our rights and freedoms are still under attack,” the official said. “He will make clear who is fighting for those rights, fighting for those freedoms, and fighting for our democracy.” The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to preview the content of the speech.
More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... p_politics

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:02 pm
by p0rtia
The money quote. Coming for you and your little dog too.
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Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:28 pm
by noblepa
Foggy wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:54 pm Oh, absolutely, now that Trump says he really did win after all, he should just be restored to the presidency IMMEDIATELY.
He wouldn't lie about something that important, would he?

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:40 pm
by Flatpoint High
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Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:54 pm
by bob


Which makes all this special-master nonsense especially interesting, as there are crime-fraud-exception possibilities galore. Perhaps even by the attorneys who filed the case. And if that's the situation, expect them to exit this case (one way or another).

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:04 am
by Foggy
Yeah, y'know, back in the day, following the birther movement was fun - you didn't have to worry that any of it was real, even after the birthers filed more than 230 lawsuits against the President of the United States of America.

Then Donald Trump was elected president, and then a million Americans died in the pandemic (and they're still dying), and following the right-wing whacko birds was no fun for the past 6 years, because they came to power.

But now I think this thing is fun again, and it's so much fun! I can't wait to see the 40 page brief. :daydreaming:
:oldman:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 am
by chancery
Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the 40 page brief will likely be reserved, measured, focused, and respectful towards Trump, his lawyers, and the judge. In other words, not as much fun to read as we would like.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:37 am
by Foggy
BOOOO!

GUARDS!! SEIZE HIM!!
:torches:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:15 am
by p0rtia
chancery wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 am Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the 40 page brief will likely be reserved, measured, focused, and respectful towards Trump, his lawyers, and the judge. In other words, not as much fun to read as we would like.
I'll take the over on that.

:popcorn:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:24 am
by Chilidog
chancery wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 am Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the 40 page brief will likely be reserved, measured, focused, and respectful towards Trump, his lawyers, and the judge. In other words, not as much fun to read as we would like.
That's ok, as long as it rips his legal claims to shreds.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:16 am
by Maybenaut
chancery wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 am Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the 40 page brief will likely be reserved, measured, focused, and respectful towards Trump, his lawyers, and the judge. In other words, not as much fun to read as we would like.
And it will be filed under seal, there will be a fight about that, then it will be released with heavy redactions.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:25 am
by Tiredretiredlawyer
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Filed under seal. :shock:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:28 am
by bob
I was thinking the feebs might file two versions: one under seal and a redacted version publicly. Get the redaction haggling out of the way.

If a media outlet, etc., wants access to the sealed one, let them make their motions to unseal.

While I expect the response to be measured, I also believe whatever is filed publicly will contain some new details, and they will not be beneficial for him.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:10 pm
by Kendra

Scooplet in here: the RNC is not paying for Trump’s legal bills related to the Mar-a-Lago document investigation

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:14 pm
by Foggy
I could write a very, very brief brief, and I have explained before, the longer the brief (USUALLY), the less chance that the judge will actually read it instead of handing it to a subordinate and reading only a summary.

But THIS brief will be read by the judge herself, in addition to all her subordinates.

WHY does the DOJ need forty pages, then? Surely she has some basic knowledge of the plaintiff's arguments and what the basic facts are, since she said she's already knowledgeable enough that she is inclined to appoint a special master.

In regards to the idea that the non-brief brief is going to be super duper top secret and sealed from view probably forever, I respectfully call your attention to the following quote from the preceding page of this thread:
As directed by the Court's Preliminary Order, the United States will file a public response to Plaintiff's Motion for Blah Blah Blah ...
:smoking:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:22 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
This is big news. RNC not paying tfg's legal fees. First , Fox, now the RNC.

Has the woim toined?

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:39 pm
by Kendra

Trump has been cut off by Ronna. He has to pay for his own lawyers this time for his latest scandal on classified documents. They are reportedly still paying his legal bills on other matters as long as he doesn’t announce he is running before the midterms.

He desperately wants to announce he is running now because he thinks it will put more pressure on prosecutors not to indict him. But Rick Scott and Ronna are begging him not to yet because it will hurt their candidates in a lot of places, along with the campaign finance issues.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:46 pm
by Foggy
We talk about dumb people and dumb Earthlings and especially dumb lawyers and politicians, but this week the dumbest lawyer in America is any lawyer that works for Trump without payment in advance.

Many people are saying :lol: that he can't find any good lawyers at all.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:51 pm
by RTH10260
Kendra wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:39 pm https:// twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1564647071365357568
Trump has been cut off by Ronna. He has to pay for his own lawyers this time for his latest scandal on classified documents. They are reportedly still paying his legal bills on other matters as long as he doesn’t announce he is running before the midterms.

He desperately wants to announce he is running now because he thinks it will put more pressure on prosecutors not to indict him. But Rick Scott and Ronna are begging him not to yet because it will hurt their candidates in a lot of places, along with the campaign finance issues.
I guess he told them he had a clean bill of health, then his messy household shows up :sick:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:54 pm
by Kendra
Yup. Might get messier when we see the DOJ thing that gets filed today. I believe it's public so prepare for :popcorn:

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:00 pm
by sugar magnolia
The detailed list of documents that were seized will be under seal I believe.

Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness, Fallou

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:28 pm
by Ben-Prime
Kriselda Gray wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:33 am
raison de arizona wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:56 pm I want to come after Bob and say something smart, but all I’ve got is this picture of Ted Cruz as a special master. You have been warned.
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THAT IS NOT *NEARLY* ENOUGH OF A WARNING!!!!!

:sick: :sick: :sick:
I'm totally using the picture to spread the word that Felito is taking over the Sean Connery role in a remake of Zardoz, though.