Train Wreck - Train Derailment

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Mr Pfister wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:32 pm
It's become painfully obvious to me that this engineer simply doofused his way off the end of that track. He had one job to do, and that was to not fuck up while driving a fucking train.

It makes no sense to me that a 80-> 30 MPH transition was not something that was front and center in everyone's mind that day.

I've looked at the route for Amtrak 501, and there are several spots along the way where there are what appear to be rather tricky spots where the train would need to slow down, such as the 90 degree bend going into Napavine. Check out the excruciatingly tight bends to get into Union Station in Portland :eek2: .

I think the engineer was trying to make up time (they left 10 minutes late from Seattle) and figured he could press his luck and get away with it.

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Chilidog wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:29 am
Railroad union hearsay alleges that the two locomotive engineers lost track of where they were because much — if not all — previous route qualification training had taken place at night when busy freight railroad traffic could accommodate the luxury of a non-revenue passenger train on multiple training runs. As a result, on the maiden run the two engineers had difficulty associating daytime landmarks with their ever-changing location.
So the same basic problem that caused the philly derailment, engineers dependent on memory and situational awareness rather than having signs and systems that let them know what they should be doing.... losing track of where they are relative to speed limits.

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Wasn't he training another engineer? Maybe they were chatting or the one guy was showing the other something and they plain old missed the sign? I wouldn't be surprised if it was as simple as that.
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neeneko wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:04 pm
So the same basic problem that caused the philly derailment, engineers dependent on memory and situational awareness rather than having signs and systems that let them know what they should be doing.... losing track of where they are relative to speed limits.
The are mile markers on every mile of track and these have additional markers every quarter mile in-between. If the engineer and conductor are paying attention they should know exactly where they are, regardless of other landmarks. I would think their route guide would have the speed limits relative to mile markers listed. Someone just wasn’t paying attention.
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More on the training
Amtrak has said it trained employees on the new route, but Hiatt says the training was done at night and some crew were put in the rear locomotive, facing backward.
http://kgmi.com/news/007700-law-firm-in ... to-safety/

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Chilidog wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:31 pm
More on the training
Amtrak has said it trained employees on the new route, but Hiatt says the training was done at night and some crew were put in the rear locomotive, facing backward.
http://kgmi.com/news/007700-law-firm-in ... to-safety/
Again, it was still dark when the train derailed, since sunrise that day was around 7.52 am, and train derailed at 7.30 am. That is really not much of an excuse. Some crew? Does that mean the engineers were in the rear locomotive? They didn't get switched around so that everyone could see the route?

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My take on this is that the engineers are afraid that eventually, their jobs are going to be phased out

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Chilidog wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:40 pm
My take on this is that the engineers are afraid that eventually, their jobs are going to be phased out
Well this is one of the ways to ensure that result.

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I think it usually takes close to a year before a final report with as many of the answers as possible will be known. There's certainly nothing about why here.

https://www.narprail.org/happening-now/ ... line-1048/
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) released a preliminary report on the Amtrak Cascades derailment in DuPont, WA and said that the accident could have been prevented through the use of Positive Train Control (PTC), a technology that can remotely monitor, slow and stop trains that are speeding.

The report said, “In this accident, PTC would have notified the engineer of train 501 about the speed reduction for the curve; if the engineer did not take appropriate action to control the train’s speed, PTC would have applied the train brakes to maintain compliance with the speed restriction and to stop the train.”

The NTSB previously said that the passenger train was moving at 78 mph in a 30 mph zone around a curve. The excessive speed saw Amtrak train 501 jump the tracks and derail, resulting in the deaths of three passengers, including RPA members Jim Hamre and Zack Willhoite.
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Engineer in deadly Amtrak crash mistook signal ahead of curve
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So very sad. I have to say that the engineer's account seems inconsistent:
The conductor, 48, said at the time of the accident he was looking down at copies of track bulletins and "he then heard the engineer say or mumble something. He then looked up and sensed that the train was becoming 'airborne,'" the NTSB said in the summary.
"The engineer said that he did see the wayside signal at milepost 19.8 (at the accident curve) but mistook it for another signal, which was north of the curve," the agency said in an update.

"He said that as soon as he saw the 30 mph sign at the start of the curve, he applied brakes. Seconds later, the train derailed as it entered the curve," the NTSB said. The engineer allegedly told investigators he planned to start braking about one mile before the curve.
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http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/us/amtrak ... 24PMVODtop
Workers say they warned Amtrak before deadly crash

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JUST IN: Train carrying congressional Republicans to GOP retreat in West Virginia has hit a vehicle, according to source on train -
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This is much more likely to be the fault of the trash truck driver. And it seems like there were not serious injuries, possibly other than the trash truck driver.
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Yeah the headline as quoted by Thomas Jefferson: „GOP politics heading to a train crash“ :blackeye:

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I hope nobody was seriously hurt. That said:

Congressional Republicans were literally in a literal train wreck with a literal garbage truck. That's.........I mean......
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Mikedunford wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:54 pm
I hope nobody was seriously hurt. That said:

Congressional Republicans were literally in a literal train wreck with a literal garbage truck. That's.........I mean......
Reports are that there was a fatality on/in the garbage truck. But yes, the headlines are beyond ironic.
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I note it never says where they were going to the retreat (or Iv'e not seen it), only that it's in West Virginia. I'm going to take a guess that it's The Greenbriar, a very expensive resort in WV. The train goes right by the resort.

And, yes, there does seem to be some karma here for the republicans!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics ... index.html
A train carrying members of Congress -- including House Speaker Paul Ryan -- to their legislative retreat in West Virginia hit a truck Wednesday, multiple sources told CNN, leaving at least one person dead.
Multiple sources said that all members of Congress on the train and their families were OK, with the exception of a few minor injuries. White House press secretary Sarah Sanders confirmed in a statement that there was at least one fatality from the collision, though it was unclear who that was.
Another site said that it was the driver that was killed. The men on the truck are most likely to be the ones killed. This is, unfortunately, probably the most common train accident. It's usually because the driver of the vehicle tried to race the train.
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King survived. :crying:
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/le ... na-n844501
An Amtrak train traveling from New York to Miami collided with a CSX freight train early Sunday morning in Lexington County, South Carolina, causing the lead engine and some passenger cars to derail.

Officials confirmed there were at least two people killed and 70 injured among the 139 passengers and 8 crew.

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Drumpf sent his thoughts and prayers. For real.
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TexasFilly wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:27 am
Drumpf sent his thoughts and prayers. For real.
More likely some minion sent them on his behalf.
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TexasFilly wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:27 am
Drumpf sent his thoughts and prayers. For real.
He did. I'd rather know what he's going to do about keeping Americans safe, what is this now three deadly accidents in two months?


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Seems that CSX switched the Amtrak train to the wrong track. This mistake may have been compounded by the Amtrak train then missing a signal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/04/us/a ... olina.html
The CSX train was stationary, and appeared to be on the correct track, Gov. Henry McMaster said at a news conference on Sunday. “It appears that Amtrak was on the wrong track,” he said. CSX operates the track, according to its online system map.

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While it was too early to speculate as to what might have happened, “it appears that one or the other of the trains failed to obey a signal,” Steven Ditmeyer, an industry consultant and former federal railroad official, said in a phone interview on Sunday.
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Amtrak again.

Amtrak train breaks apart at 125 mph

https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/amtrak-tr ... SocialFlow
A high-speed Amtrak train bound for Penn Station broke apart as it was moving at top speed through Maryland.
The 2150 Acela was traveling from Washington D.C. to the Big Apple when the incident happened at about 11:20 a.m. The train was traveling at about 125 mph, according to the source.

“Someone could have been walking through the train when that happened and fell to their death,” said the source.

A photo shows the connector between two coupled trains broken and separated.

Amtrak officials confirmed the incident, but didn’t immediately have details.
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