https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brigham-an ... accinated/Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated
A Boston hospital says it won't consider performing a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get vaccinated against COVID-19, CBS Boston reports.
DJ's family says he was at the front of the line to receive a transplant but hospital policy stipulates that he's no longer eligible because he hasn't received the vaccination. And David Ferguson says his son simply won't.
"It's kind of against his basic principles — he doesn't believe in it," David Ferguson says. "It's a policy they are enforcing and so, because he won't get the shot, they took him off the list (for) a heart transplant."
"Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off," Caplan said. "The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving."
"I think my boy is fighting pretty damn courageously and he has integrity and principles he really believes in and that makes me respect him all the more," David Ferguson said.
Which is why the family is sticking by his side and hoping for the best. "It's his body. It's his choice," Ferguson added.
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I wonder what his feelings on abortion are?
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I'm willing to let you rip my chest open, put me on bypass while you take hours replacing my heart with one from a deceased person, then take immunosuppressant meds for the rest of my life to, hopefully, keep my body from rejecting the new organ...but getting a shot is just asking too much.
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He reminds me of Gavin Seim harassing a young employee at a national park parking lot.
Spot on comment.
Spot on comment.
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Way to teach your child to be a stubborn, self-involved, entitled spoiled brat.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:14 pm He reminds me of Gavin Seim harassing a young employee at a national park parking lot.
Spot on comment.
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So do our minutes hasten to their end . . .
So do our minutes hasten to their end . . .
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He was doxxed on Twitter. Also, that library had to close due to threats.
https://www.shawlocal.com/kane-county-c ... sk-policy/
https://www.shawlocal.com/kane-county-c ... sk-policy/
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Shameful.
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What other options?
A volunteer who qualifies as a match who will donate specifically for DJ only?
A black market heart from Mexico, India, or China?
Uh, what hospital will willingly perform this heart transplant even if DJ finds a heart?
No hospital.
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Well, DJ will be dead within days. So at least there's that.
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A suit by the deceptively named American Association of Physicians & Surgeons (Katarina Verrelli) against Adam Schiff causing the deplatforming/deprioritizing/demonetizing of their anti-vax info by making inquiries of social medial companies fails for Article III Standing and the Speech and Debate clause.
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Here's the guidelines, for anyone interested.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines. ... ransplant/
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines. ... ransplant/
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Somebunny is going to have to explain to these morans how these things work.
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Fox might have been better off using a picture that didn't have "angry entitled prick" face.
Besides, they are one of the ones that are killing him.
Besides, they are one of the ones that are killing him.
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I received a liver transplant in 2001, I was tested for immune response to mumps, measles, chicken pox and many others. I was administered all the recommended vaccines before I could be listed. There were other tests but the rule was I had to be sick enough to need it and we’ll enough to survive the surgery. I agreed to take a flu and pneumonia shot every year.Azastan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:48 pm Here's the guidelines, for anyone interested.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines. ... ransplant/
So an asshole s who won’t take the Covid vax is going to die of heart failure for his preformative asshole move. Give the heart to some one who will survive the pandemic.
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My daughter works for our local library district and they have had armed security at each library for several years. All employees get active shooter training every year as well. It's unfortunate that it became necessary.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:19 pm He was doxxed on Twitter. Also, that library had to close due to threats.
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Sigh. When I was growing up the only places with armed guards were banks. What have we come to?
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And we thought BURN THE WITCHES was behind.
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Found this out relatively recently, but in actual fact witches etc were NOT burned in the Americas. Whether it was becasue Wood was so valuable in the Americas or for some other reason, but they were usually hanged. The "Burn the witch!" myth persists because it is so evocative an image, but it would actually have been "Hang the Witch!" in the colonies.
Europe is another story, of course.
Europe is another story, of course.
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Where I grew up we didn't have armed guards in the banks. I was in one of them a few months ago and they still don't have an armed guard. Having an armed guard in a library is just unthinkable to me.
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Drowned, too, I think. (See also "ducking stool.") If she floated, the water was rejecting the witch. Then they could hang her with confidence. If she drowned, she was innocent. But dead.Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:33 pmOff TopicFound this out relatively recently, but in actual fact witches etc were NOT burned in the Americas. Whether it was becasue Wood was so valuable in the Americas or for some other reason, but they were usually hanged. The "Burn the witch!" myth persists because it is so evocative an image, but it would actually have been "Hang the Witch!" in the colonies.
Europe is another story, of course.
Yikes.
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Most of the 'witches' in Salem were hanged, but at least one was pressed to death.roadscholar wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:58 pmDrowned, too, I think. (See also "ducking stool.") If she floated, the water was rejecting the witch. Then they could hang her with confidence. If she drowned, she was innocent. But dead.Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:33 pmOff TopicFound this out relatively recently, but in actual fact witches etc were NOT burned in the Americas. Whether it was becasue Wood was so valuable in the Americas or for some other reason, but they were usually hanged. The "Burn the witch!" myth persists because it is so evocative an image, but it would actually have been "Hang the Witch!" in the colonies.
Europe is another story, of course.
Yikes.
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raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:40 pmIs the immune system shutdown something that is then permanent, or does the immune system ever learn to accept the foreign tissue of the transplanted organ? If the immune system can't be restarted, are there medications that people who've had transplants can take to help them fight off things like colds for which we don't yet have vaccines or cure? I'm curious.Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated
"Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off," Caplan said. "The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving."
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Medicine has not yet discovered anything which will convince the immune system to rewire itself permanently to accept the foreign tissu--at least for hearts.
However....
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-08- ... ients.html
However....
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-08- ... ients.html
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I did make an edit to my post, specifying that heart transplants--indeed, most transplants--require immunosuppressive drugs for the rest of the patient's life. However, there HAVE been certain transplants which have used chimeric cells to wean NON-HUMAN primates off these drugs. I don't know if HUMANS have ever been successfully weaned.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:06 pmWhich is ironic in that it also hasn’t discovered how to get my own immune system to stop attacking my own body parts.