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If it were so important to file the quo warrantos, maybe they could actually drive to the federal courthouses and file them in person.
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Yup. Just pull out some trusty identification to prove you are who you say you are and the Federal Marshals will let you right in.
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Put up the right amount of fuss to showing legitimate ID and find the US Marshals will "escort" you in.
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So much trouble, so much strum und drang for make-believe.

What silly silly people.







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So much trouble, so much strum und drang for make-believe.

What silly silly people.



I learned something new today!



Great, now I am having frightening flashbacks to my undergrad music history classes.
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Sovcits love to reject reality as a series of conspiracies, but fully embrace snake oil and other woo, whether tangible or not.





Tue, 01/20/2015 - 22:53Sheila B

help support this man who is being shut down by the FDA for healing people PORTLAND OREGON

Come STAND WITH MAXAM and show your support at our FDA Injunction Hearing, January 23, 2015 at 2 PM before



Judge Michael Simon at the

Federal Courthouse in Portland, OR.

1327 United States Courthouse

1000 Southwest Third Avenue

Portland, Oregon 97204-2944



The FDA has spent multi millions of your tax dollars to shut us down over the last four years; their longer term, primary intention is to completely shut down the Natural Products industry in America. This is even truer for very cutting edge products and technologies that really work, and MAXAM is definitely in that category.


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Lotsa fancy werdz (what we use to call "glittering generalities") in Mazam's product line: http://www.maxamlabs.com/shopdisplaypro ... M+PRODUCTS



Sure seems like they are being sold to treat ailments. And they are bunkum.
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The current injunction is to prevent Maxam from making false medical claims and marketing new drugs (as opposed to generally-recognized-as-safe treatments).



Maxam has previously been found liable in civil court for similar fraudulent dealings:



Evidence at trial revealed that Cole’s scheme in relation to the sale of the Maxam sprays included: falsely representing that the products were created and manufactured by a Harvard chemist, when in fact, they were made by a twice-convicted federal felon and self-taught chemist in the Boston area operating in unknown labs under unknown conditions; failing to disclose that the products contained rare bacteria not listed on the labels and believed by the government’s expert to have been intentionally put into the products by the felon manufacturer; and failing to reveal that Cole had never conducted clinical trials of the products, despite advertising them as “clinically proven” to improve conditions such as autism, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and multiple sclerosis.



The US has very lax standards when it comes to alternative medicines, herbal remedies, and supplements. Most herbal supplements and homeopathic remedies are considered "generally safe" because - while ineffective at treating disease - they are just dried plants or bottled water. Your spice cabinet is probably more toxic and just as effective in treating your Parkinson's.



Maxam products include undisclosed bacteria and various chemicals concocted by a reformed (maybe) meth cook. And what is really said is, because some of these compounds are advertised as effective in treating autism, the Jenny McCarthys of the world will possibly pump their kids full of this poison while railing against trivalent immunizations for easily preventable childhood disease.
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Sadly, we have to wait until Orrin Hatch leaves the Senate before we'll see the "nutritional supplement" industry heavily regulated. He's the industry's chief whore in Congress.





Support Is Mutual for Senator and Utah Industry



By ERIC LIPTON

Published: June 20, 2011



SALT LAKE CITY — A drive along mountain-lined Interstate 15 here shows why Senator Orrin G. Hatch is considered a hero in this region nicknamed the Silicon Valley of the nutritional supplement industry.



In the town of Lehi is the sprawling headquarters of Xango, where company officials praised Mr. Hatch, a Utah Republican, late last year for helping their exotic fruit juice business “operate without excessive intrusion” from Washington.

[snip]



His family and friends have benefited, too, from links to the supplement industry. His son Scott Hatch, is a longtime industry lobbyist in Washington, as are at least five of the senator’s former aides. Mr. Hatch’s grandson and son-in-law increase revenue at their chiropractic clinic near here by selling herbal and nutritional treatments, including $35 “thyroid dysfunction” injections and a weight-loss product, “Slim and Sassy Metabolic Blend.” And Mr. Hatch’s former law partner owns Pharmics, a small nutritional supplement company in Salt Lake City.



But many public health experts argue that in his advocacy, Mr. Hatch has hindered regulators from preventing dangerous products from being put on the market, including supplements that are illegally spiked with steroids or other unapproved drugs. They also say he is the person in Washington most responsible for the proliferation of products that make exaggerated claims about health benefits.


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Lotsa fancy werdz (what we use to call "glittering generalities") in Mazam's product line: http://www.maxamlabs.com/shopdisplaypro ... M+PRODUCTS

Sure seems like they are being sold to treat ailments. And they are bunkum.



What a racket. Two-ounce bottles of woo for anywhere from $30 to $70. The bottles cost more than the liquid bullshit contained within. Probably a total of 75 cents with the label.
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VD followers passionately defend their right to be scammed. There is nothing more patriotic than searching for ultimate magic words and pills that will transform their world into one of ultimate power and filled with glitter farting unicorns.



Given their obsession with odd "medical" therapies, seeing unicorns may well be in their future.
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I listened to the first hour of the Northeast area NLA conference call. A whole different atmosphere from the Monday night call. These were very nice people. Polite, calm and dedicated.



That said, there weren't many of them. And as they went through the state roll call asking what progress had been made on mailing out the Quo's the results were as you'd expect from such a screwed up organization. Very few Quo's had been sent out. Most of the states hadn't even made copies of the 13 page "paper". They were all still sending out sheriffs letters and constitutions. And none could remember which letters had been sent.



Vermont and New Hampshire weren't represented on the call. There was only one person from Pennsylvania. Some discussion of the new loyalty oath. People would like to see some changes in the wording. They're going to hold off on signing it until they have more information. Not a word about the new $15/month phone system during the time I was listening.



If the NLA folk on this call are indicative of the national group our country can breath a great sigh of relief.
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The telephone/long distance/fax scam has been around as long as there have been con men/women (confolk) and FAX machines. I could set up a complete system to fax all of the folks in Congress for about $1.98, and then the operational costs are covered by other services.

Done right, it's pure profit.
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I listened to the first hour of the Northeast area NLA conference call. A whole different atmosphere from the Monday night call. These were very nice people. Polite, calm and dedicated.



That said, there weren't many of them. And as they went through the state roll call asking what progress had been made on mailing out the Quo's the results were as you'd expect from such a screwed up organization. Very few Quo's had been sent out. Most of the states hadn't even made copies of the 13 page "paper". They were all still sending out sheriffs letters and constitutions. And none could remember which letters had been sent.



Vermont and New Hampshire weren't represented on the call. There was only one person from Pennsylvania. Some discussion of the new loyalty oath. People would like to see some changes in the wording. They're going to hold off on signing it until they have more information. Not a word about the new $15/month phone system during the time I was listening.



If the NLA folk on this call are indicative of the national group our country can breath a great sigh of relief.







And the PA representative might not be from PA. When I looked up my daddy's county the county representative for Columbia County, PA was from Columbia County, NY. (BTW, Columbia County, PA is no where near the NY border).
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Sadly, we have to wait until Orrin Hatch leaves the Senate before we'll see the "nutritional supplement" industry heavily regulated. He's the industry's chief whore in Congress.

At least Tom Harkin has left the Senate now. He and Hatch were equally bad about it:


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Same stuff every week. Boringgggg.
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Well, there's only so many ways you can say the same thing over and over again and not answering the same questions every week before you start repeating yourself, and particularly when you can't remember what lies you've already told.
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Oh, my. Google Trends shows a decidedly downward trend for the number of Google searches for the Holy Grail.








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Does anyone else see a correlation between Vidurek's unmasking here in September and the downward trends in that chart?
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Does anyone else see a correlation between Vidurek's unmasking here in September and the downward trends in that chart?I said then and I say now, that was definitely the beginning of the end; you and SueDB deserve badges.
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SueDB and I don't need no stinkin' badges! :lol: :lol:
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Just posted on NLA site.



ATTENTION ALL NLA MEMBERS !!!!! GO TO BLOG SECTION IN MEDIA TO VIEW MISSOURI WESTERN DISTRICT FEDERAL JUDGE RESPONSE TO THE QUO WARRANTO>>LETS ALL ASK JOHN TO DECIPHER IT FOR US ON THE MONDAY NITE CALL>AFTER ALL ISNT THAT THE REASON WE ARE SENDING PAPERS?WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSE FROM A STATE JUDGE IN MICHIGAN PLEASE CALL GARY JOLLEY FOR INFO ON THAT RESPONSEAND ASK HIM TO POST IT HERE FOR ALL TO SEE>. LETS HAVE UNITY AND CLARITY IN THIS MOVEMENT.AS THERE HAVE BEEN RESPONSES FROM A FEW JUDGES AND SHERIFFS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AIRED FOR SOME REASON???? >>LET US FIND OUT WHY??? BECAUSE THESE RESPONSES WILL SURELY PROMOTE HEALTHY MORALE FOR "WE THE PEOPLE". ARENT WE ALL ARE LOOKING FOR A GLIMMER OF HOPE IN A HOPELESS COUNTRY??LET'S GET THIS TOPIC OUT IN THE OPEN FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ALSO.



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Money quote: "Furthermore, the documents attempt to abrogate the laws of the United States and/or the State of Missouri and create a status which exempts the signer from the normal operation of the law. As such, the documents are a nullity and without legal effect."



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There's a response from a federal judge's office to the quo at www.nationallibertyalliance.org/blog. It's pretty devastating and, either the poster is an undercover Fogbow troll or he's just plain dumb. I'm thinking a troll because he's wanting VD to post other responses which, he has to know, will be just as damaging. I think there's also a possibility the the judge's response is a fake. It's pretty entertaining whatever it is.
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Gnarly, you beat me to it. I couldn't figure out how to post an image. Well done.
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