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Postby mimi » Tue May 14, 2013 9:56 am

Pelosi: IRS Scandal "An Opportunity" To Scrutinize 501(c)(4)s And "Overturn Citizens United"








[/break1]realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/13/pelosi_irs_scandal_an_opportunity_to_scrutinize_501c4s_and_overturn_citizens_united.html]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... nited.html








I wish. But, I still think IRS will cower, and GOP will have a big run with this thing.





I wish the message could get out that it's all about Citizens United and 'dark money'. But, the GOP will sell it as the Obama Administration attacking conservatives.











Anybody see a problem here:





Last year, 2,800 organizations applied for 501(c)4 status; only eight were rejected.

[/break1]marketplace.org/topics/economy/are-501c4-nonprofit-groups-too-partisan]http://www.marketplace.org/topics/econo ... o-partisan








And what do you wanna bet that 2,500 of them were conservative groups?

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Postby bob » Tue May 14, 2013 4:15 pm

Newsmax: [/break1]newsmax.com/Newsfront/irs-obama-tea-party/2013/05/14/id/504419]IRS Scandal Reaches to White House:


Cleta Mitchell, one of Washington's most respected elections attorneys, told Newsmax she has tangible proof that high-ranking IRS officials in Washington were fully aware of the agency's campaign to target conservative groups for heightened scrutiny, despite their denials.





And she [highlight]thinks[/highlight] the president knew about the practice, too. If proven, she said, it could be an impeachable offense.





[...]





Mitchell said [highlight]she doesn't believe[/highlight] the president or the White House was uninvolved in the IRS activities, as the administration has claimed.





"I've thought for some time that this is politically motivated and that's the reason it was happening. And, as I said, I've been doing this for more than 20 years and I've never seen anything like this until 2009, 2010. And the only thing that changed was we had a different administration," she said.





"We know the White House used the Department of Health and Human Services to try to silence critics about Obamacare. So if we know they used HHS, why wouldn't they also use the IRS or other federal agencies to try to silence political critics?"

Talk about headline creep: Mitchell's "proof" of White House involvement is her beliefs. ([/break1]wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleta_Mitchell]Mitchell is a tea-party attorney, NRA board member, etc.)





Expect Taitz to attempt to helicoptor in; from 2010:


More on elections fraud: please, help me get in touch with attorneys Cleta Mitchel and O’Mara in NV

:twisted: [/break1]orlytaitzesq.com/?p=15775]http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=15775 :twisted:

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Postby bob » Tue May 14, 2013 4:31 pm

Giveusliberty1776: [/break1]blogspot.com/2013/05/bombshell-abc-news-political-analyst.html]ABC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST TREY HARDIN SAYS THAT HE KNOWS THAT IRS MISCONDUCT DONE WITH BLESSING OF WEST WING POLITICAL OPERATIVES:

ABC Political Analyst Trey Hardin was a guest this morning on KABC'S morning show, "McIntyre in the Morning" and dropped a bombshell, stating that he is [highlight]absolutely convinced[/highlight] that the IRS scandal emanates from the West Wing of the White House. [highlight]While careful not to implicate Obama directly[/highlight], Hardin said that political operatives in the West Wing have the responsibility of getting an "edge" on the opposition and implied that such tactics are routine. He said that often times such actions/tactics are carefully implemented in such a way as to insulate or provide plausible deniability to their boss (OBAMA). [Just like that Birth Certificate press conference where Obama never handled the so-called long form BC just freshly arrived from Hawaii...LMAO...What a joke!]

More indirect confirmation!

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Postby bob » Tue May 14, 2013 5:41 pm

Mediate: [/break1]mediaite.com/tv/stewart-destroys-obama-over-irs-scandal-lack-of-managerial-competence-youve-vindicated-conspiracy-theorists/]Stewart Destroys Obama Over IRS Scandal, Lack Of ‘Managerial Competence’: You’ve Vindicated Conspiracy Theorists:

Stewart explained exactly why this scandal has changed the dynamic between the White House and its conservative opponents.

Well, congratulations, President Barack Obama, Conspiracy theorists who generally can survive in anaerobic environments have just had an algae bloom dropped on their fucking heads, thus removing the last arrow in your pro-governance quiver: skepticism about your opponents.

Stewart argued that this scandal has now “shifted the burden of proof from the tin foil-behatted to the government,” saying that the government lacks any real “managerial competence” when it wants to do good, but when it wants to flex some malevolent muscles, “you’re fucking Iron Man!”


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Postby BillTheCat » Wed May 15, 2013 1:24 am

They can try to "run with it" all they want, but it will wind up like much like Benghazi - aside from the employees involved, there's no there, there. [-X
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Postby Roboe » Wed May 15, 2013 12:09 pm

I don't get why they're slamming Obama over this, when it's fairly obvious he didn't have a hand in it? I mean, other than 'the buck stops here', but isn't that kind of irrelevant when the person responsible has already owed up? Are they seriously expecting Obama to have a every single public commissioner, director, or whatever they're called, on such an ultra-tight leash, that he knows exactly what each and every one of them are doing on a daily basis?

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Postby kate520 » Wed May 15, 2013 12:16 pm

Roboe, they are in the throes and have released the hounds. These hounds are, even more so than usually, impervious to logic and facts. All they know is the blood lust coursing through their veins. The baying will only get louder from here, until they are publicly humiliated again, which they will ignore. Or blame on Obama and the demonrats.

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Postby Roboe » Wed May 15, 2013 12:25 pm

I wasn't aware that Jon Stewart was in that that group? ;)Then again, it might have been some satire I missed, they air The Daily Show pretty late over here (at least they air it the day after the US broadcast).


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Postby kate520 » Wed May 15, 2013 12:34 pm

As much as I adore Stewart, once in a blue moon he misses by a mile. This is one of those times, IMHO.

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Postby A Legal Lohengrin » Wed May 15, 2013 7:35 pm

I don't get why they're slamming Obama over this, when it's fairly obvious he didn't have a hand in it?

You actually think that has anything at all to do with whether they attack Obama with smears and lies?

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Postby Roboe » Thu May 16, 2013 7:38 am

I don't get why they're slamming Obama over this, when it's fairly obvious he didn't have a hand in it?

You actually think that has anything at all to do with whether they attack Obama with smears and lies?

I realise that the US right will try and attach anything to Obama, but I was thinking more of the traditionally liberal media outlets. The post came off the back of Jon Stewart slamming Obama (via the Mediaite article), which I found odd as The Daily Show usually have a bit of logic attached to their arguments.

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Postby mimi » Sat May 18, 2013 10:51 am

Nate Silver shows Peggy Noonan wrong.





May 17, 2013, 4:31 pm


New Audit Allegations Show Flawed Statistical Thinking


By NATE SILVER





Some conservatives, however, are alleging that there is another component to the scandal. They accuse the I.R.S. of targeting not just conservative groups that sought 501(c)(4) status, but also individual taxpayers who oppose President Obama or have supported conservative causes. “The second part of the scandal is the auditing of political activists who have opposed the administration,” the Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan wrote on Thursday, describing the I.R.S.’s actions as the “worst Washington scandal since Watergate.”

In the table below, I’ve estimated the number of taxpayers in each income group who were audited in 2012, as derived from statistics in the I.R.S.’s 2012 Data Book. It is also possible to estimate how many Mitt Romney and Barack Obama voters would have been audited last year. The calculation assumes that an individual’s chance of being audited was related to their income, but not to their political views.

you can read it here:


[/break1]blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/new-audit-allegations-show-flawed-statistical-thinking/?smid=tw-share]http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... d=tw-share








Nothing that we didn't already know, but I wanted to post the link for quick reference. :D

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Postby A Legal Lohengrin » Sat May 18, 2013 12:20 pm

This is such a pre-fab "scandal." The people inventing it trust two things. People hate the IRS. Who doesn't hate the idea of some government agency grabbing money out of their pockets? The IRS also has had a bad institutional history of actually being abusive.The people fabricating this fake scandal trust two things. People, in general, are A) Willing to believe that any accusation against the IRS is true andB) Obviously, the IRS is out to get them personally, so that accusation means they should be personally angry.Sane people don't automatically believe anything. Even if it's against a group or organization they don't like.

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Postby Addie » Sat May 18, 2013 1:23 pm

[link]Washington Post,http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-cincinnati-irs-office-surprise-over-claims-of-partisan-villainy/2013/05/17/f693c60e-bd81-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html[/link]





At Cincinnati IRS office, surprise over claims of partisan villainy





CINCINNATI — The fog of scandal hangs over a boxy, modernist, 10-story building that looks like a monument to paperwork. Shrubs and chain smokers flank its front entrance here on Main Street, in the heart of downtown. Every day, 2,000 employees go to work at various federal agencies in this John F. Kennedy-era structure, whose chief tenant is the Internal Revenue Service — which is having just about the worst week an agency can have.





Up on the fourth floor — with its gray linoleum, low ceilings and fluorescent lights, file carts heaped with manila envelopes, its keypad-coded doors labeled 4-022 (the file room) and 4-034 (the supply room) — the determinations unit of the IRS’s ­exempt-organizations office is at work.





People in this Cincinnati unit have been accused of using “inappropriate” and “politically sensitive” criteria to scrutinize conservative groups that applied for tax-exempt status. ...





The staff member, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of losing his job, said that the determinations unit is competent and without bias, that it grouped together conservative applications “for consistency’s sake” — so one application did not sail through while a similar one was held up in review. This consistency is paramount in the review of all applications, according to Ronald Ran, an estate-tax lawyer who worked for 37 years in the IRS’s Cincinnati office.





“You’re not going to have a bunch of flaming liberals in the exempt-organizations department looking for conservative applications,” he said.

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Postby ducktape » Sat May 18, 2013 2:00 pm

Not only is there really not much "there there," but it turns out that the IRS Official who answered the question .... planted it.





[/break1]talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/irs-official-lois-lerner-called-lawyer-to-plant?ref=fpb]TPM: IRS Official Called Lawyer to Plant Question





Inquiring minds ask ..." and why was that?"

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Postby GreatGrey » Sat May 18, 2013 2:11 pm

Any wonder they were targeted?
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Postby IncubusOrSuccubus » Sat May 18, 2013 3:44 pm

The real scandal are the Dems who cried "wolf" at the first moment. Some of theme are senators. But you are used to this. Looks a lot like the Acorn-"Scandal". Heads rolled before the investigation began. This administration has too many wimps in leading position. That is something President Obama really is to blame for.(edited)

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Postby A Legal Lohengrin » Sat May 18, 2013 7:09 pm

No shit. The Department of Justice shreds the Constitution in a misguided quest to punish journalists for doing their jobs, and Obama has "no apologies" for this deeply un-American behavior.Meanwhile, heads roll any time Republicans squeal like pigs. Shirley Sherrod is out of a job because of a doctored video from a criminal, without any investigation whatsoever, trashing her career. Susan Rice gets removed from consideration for a job she deserved. Apparently, Obama has all the apologies in the world any time right-wing pigs make up a bunch of lies and demand he apologizes. Just not when something actually calls for apologies.

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Postby Butterfly Bilderberg » Tue May 21, 2013 1:39 pm

About 10 to 12 protestors in front of the Hebert Federal Building in New Orleans. Only two with signs (both are women). (Ya know, leave it to the women to show up with the right supplies.) The rest are standing around talking with one another. One guy has a cape-like piece of red fabric pinned to his shirt at the shoulders, giving the appearance of a cheap forgery of a Halloween Spiderman costume.Otherwise, people walking through and around Lafayette Square pretty much ignoring the protest and going about their lunchtime business. No television news crews here.The TPP published the address of a building with few IRS personnel. The building housing the chief operations for Louisiana was not targeted. The principal tenant of the Hebert building is the Office of the Clerk of the Court and staff attorneys for the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. Another tenant is the USPS.ETA: In the time it took to write this post the protestors left, except for one woman holding a handmade sign. Time: 12:45 PM CDT.

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Postby MsDaisy » Tue May 21, 2013 3:18 pm

From TPM





Inspector General: Treasury Informed Issa Of IRS Investigation In 2012


Sahil Kapur 1:41 PM EDT, Tuesday May 21, 2013











At a hearing Tuesday, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George told the Senate Finance Committee that the Treasury Department informed Rep. Darrell Issa's (R-CA) office of its investigation into the IRS in 2012, and has had communications with this staff since then.





George's remarks under questioning from Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ):





Menendez: "Inspector General, did Chairman Issa send a letter on August 3rd of 2012 to all the inspector generals reminding them that under the Inspector Generals Act it requires IGs to report particularly flagrant problems to Congress through the agency head within seven days via what has become known as the seven day letter. Did you receive that letter? And, if so, did you respond to inform Chairman Isaa of your investigation into the IRS?"





George: "Senator, we did receive the letter, and Chairman Issa's committee was the first to actually contact us regarding this matter. And so through the course of engaging the review, on occasion we have had communications with his staff."





Menendez: "In 2012?"





George: "And since then, yes."





Menendez: "Thank you."

Imagine that!





[/break1]talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/inspector-general-treasury-informed-issa-of-irs-investigation]http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... estigation

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Postby GreatGrey » Tue May 21, 2013 4:22 pm

The Police presence was overwhelming!Police preparing for noon IRS protest in Tampa. #DCIntervention #TeaParty #Tampa [/break1]co/ZGbeJc7mrC]http://t.co/ZGbeJc7mrC[/break1]com/prestonrudie/status/336856905932750850]https://twitter.com/prestonrudie/status ... 5932750850
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From TPM





Inspector General: Treasury Informed Issa Of IRS Investigation In 2012


Sahil Kapur 1:41 PM EDT, Tuesday May 21, 2013











At a hearing Tuesday, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George told the Senate Finance Committee that the Treasury Department informed Rep. Darrell Issa's (R-CA) office of its investigation into the IRS in 2012, and has had communications with this staff since then.





George's remarks under questioning from Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ):





Menendez: "Inspector General, did Chairman Issa send a letter on August 3rd of 2012 to all the inspector generals reminding them that under the Inspector Generals Act it requires IGs to report particularly flagrant problems to Congress through the agency head within seven days via what has become known as the seven day letter. Did you receive that letter? And, if so, did you respond to inform Chairman Isaa of your investigation into the IRS?"





George: "Senator, we did receive the letter, and Chairman Issa's committee was the first to actually contact us regarding this matter. And so through the course of engaging the review, on occasion we have had communications with his staff."





Menendez: "In 2012?"





George: "And since then, yes."





Menendez: "Thank you."

Imagine that!





[/break1]talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/inspector-general-treasury-informed-issa-of-irs-investigation]http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... estigation

In the comments :


"Actually, it looks to me like Issa knew early on this was no scandal, that there was no there, there. Otherwise, his office would've leaked it last year in the midst of the election. He probably also realized leaking this "scandal" would wind up backfiring on the GOTP. But it all begs the question: what are we missing in this story or what don't we know that caused Darrell Issa to calculate that this story would do no favors for Republicans?





"one point might be that, as I understand it, the head of the IRS at the time was a hold over appointment of President Bush."





"Got to love that inconvenient fact. Especially when the GOP wingnut brigade started calling for heads to roll.


Oh, who? This guy? The Bushee? Yeah, knock yourself out. Here's an axe."

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Postby realist » Tue May 21, 2013 6:18 pm

[/break1]truethevote.org/news/true-the-vote-files-suit-against-the-internal-revenue-service]http://www.truethevote.org/news/true-th ... ue-service





TRUE THE VOTE FILES SUIT AGAINST THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE





HOUSTON, TX. May 21, 2013 - True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters’ rights organization, filed suit in federal court in Washington today against the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), asking the Court to grant its long-awaited tax exempt status and seeking damages for the unlawful actions by the IRS in the processing of its application for exempt status. ActRight Legal Foundation, a 501(c)3 fundamental rights and public interest law firm represents True the Vote in the lawsuit.





“We’ve been waiting for three years to receive a decision from the IRS about our tax exempt status,” True the Vote President Catherine Engelbrecht said. “After answering hundreds of questions and producing thousands of documents, we’re done waiting. The IRS does not have the power to pocket veto our application. Federal law empowers groups like True the Vote to force a decision in court – which is precisely what we aim to do.”





[...]





Cleta Mitchell, counsel to True the Vote and of counsel to ActRight Legal Foundation, stated, “We are not going to allow the IRS to claim, as it has been doing in the past week, that the targeting of conservative groups is over and ‘everything has been fixed.’ It is not yet fixed and this litigation is a vital step both to resolve True the Vote’s status and to learn exactly what happened inside the IRS.”





True the Vote’s lawsuit consists of three counts:





Count One: Seeks recognition of True the Vote as a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization pursuant to 26 USC § 7428.





Count Two: Seeks damages and injunctive relief from the IRS and IRS employees and agents, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1331 and Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 403 U.S. 388 (1971), for violation of True the Vote's constitutional rights by virtue of the actions of the government in unlawfully targeting and delaying recognition of True the Vote's exempt status.





Count Three: Seeks damages and injunctive relief against the IRS and IRS employees, pursuant to 26 USC § 7431, for their unlawful intrusions into True the Vote’s activities by requiring the filing of voluminous materials with the IRS, then unlawfully inspecting and potentially disseminating the information.

And they plan on filing many more. :roll:





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Postby Sterngard Friegen » Tue May 21, 2013 6:27 pm

The damages claims are bullshit. Their claim will at least get somebody's attention.


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