Mike Lindell's Election Shenanigans, FrankSpeech and #MyPillow #FAILS - 6/28/61 Cancer / Ox

[bob]

Wait, is GIL involved?

No: the web is intended to show that Montgomery inhabits the RWNJ conspiracy theory/grift ecosystem. (Montgomery and Klayman broke up a few years ago.)

Having said that, a Twitter was trying to explain that Klayman and Stone's multiyear feud was really just pro-wrestling kayfabe to obscure Montgomery's dirty-trick insertion as a psyop tactic. Sadly, I have no further specifics, as some jerk was baned (for asking too many questions) before the big reveal.

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Lindell is on Frank again, ranting again.

[Dr. Ken]

Lindell is coming out and admitting that he got the data from Montgomery. But now he's tripling down not willing to admit he was conned. Calling his own hand picked expert fake and claiming Montgomery is a hero

[Dr. Ken]

[bob]

Lindell: "Montgomery's stuff is valid because I paid a lot of money to validate it."

Exactly what a mark would say.

Lindell also said he can't release his data because then other people would alter it, and then the narrative would be about the altered data. Which is basically what Arpaio and Zullo said ... almost six years ago.

[Patagoniagirl]

I miss the old forum for references like the Montgomery thread. Such humiliation!

[RTH10260]

The article re Chris Hayes mentioned further up (long)

Former Pro Surfer and RVCA Founder Conan Hayes is at the Heart of Stop-the-Steal Mania
In multiple states, Conan Hayes has appeared as a quiet but central figure in efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Donald Trump’s favor.


Kelly Weill Reporter
Updated Aug. 16, 2021 3:58PM ET Published Aug. 16, 2021 11:49AM ET

On November 27, 2020, as then-president Donald Trump promoted election fraud hoaxes, one Twitter user appeared to share exclusive pictures from inside the rightwing Stop the Steal operation.

The user, @We_Have_Risen, tweeted pictures of what he implied were raw vote tallies photographed in Antrim County, Michigan, a key swing state at the center of the stolen election fantasy. Among other offerings, he included photos of a dissected Dominion voting machine (Republicans accused Dominion of helping rig the election, and the company is now suing pro-Trump outlets over these false claims). The conspiratorial captions were well received by his followers, some of whom had previously taken interest in the user’s communications with the administrator of a QAnon-connected message board.

@We_Have_Risen was in Michigan as an “expert witness” for an examination of Antrim County’s votes. But @We_Have_Risen is not an election expert. He’s Conan Hayes, a former professional surfer and co-founder of the popular clothing brand RVCA. And in multiple states, he’s appeared in person as a quiet but central figure in efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Donald Trump’s favor.



much more at the link... https://www.thedailybeast.com/rcva-foun ... teal-mania

[Slim Cognito]

Lindell: "Montgomery's stuff is valid because I paid a lot of money to validate it."

Exactly what a mark would say.

Lindell also said he can't release his data because then other people would alter it, and then the narrative would be about the altered data. Which is basically what Arpaio and Zullo said ... almost six years ago.

Paraphrasing Twain: It's easier to con a man than convince him he's been conned.

[Luke]

The intraparty warfare is delicious. Witzke is vewwy angwy about Lindell blasting Rick Wiles TruNews. Clowns are grasping at straws. Lindell knows he came up empty, this is to try to keep the marks engaged. Reporters admitting ANTIFA "doubles" to take down what? Garbage and nonsense? The "flood the zone" strategy isn't going to work, he shot his load, fired blanks, and America (except for the bottom-feeders) have moved on.

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[Uninformed]

[Foggy]

Couple pages back, I saw:

... while "I'm too dumb to be actually malicious" may have some superficial appeal as a defense to defamation, any good attorney (and Dominion has them) will argue that relying on known crackpots actually is proof of malice.

IMHO, voting for the former asshole and making any claim of fraud in the election is a whole kind of malice in itself.

These people claim to be "patriots" and their understanding of the American system of government is zero. If TFA had been re-elected, he would have far more seriously damaged the country I love than he was able to do in four years. He showed how corrupt and bad for America he was for four years. And these people wanted to give him another four years, just because they're racist assholes too also?

That's malicious, and yes, that means there are 74 million malicious people in this great land of ours, who would flush this great nation down the drain if it meant keeping a racist psychopath in the highest office in the country. If they're too dumb to be malicious, they're too dumb to vote, and they're too dumb to make public comments about national politics, and they use Velcro straps on their shoes because they're too dumb to tie shoelaces.

Fuck them, and as my heroine Sugar Magnolia says, Fuck them all.

[AndyinPA]

[RTH10260]

GOP lawmakers cling to belief Mike Lindell will prove Trump won despite symposium flop
Tom Boggioni
August 16, 2021

According to a report from the Washington Times, a scattering of Republican lawmakers who attended MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's three-day "cyber symposium" in South Dakota are still undeterred in their belief that he will one day come through with irrefutable evidence of 2020 presidential election fraud that deprived Donald Trump of a second term.

Lindell's three-day event was widely derided, with the Washington Post labeling it "The spectacular implosion of Mike Lindell," while noting that one of Lindell's experts blew apart the conclusions by admitting, "...our team said we're not going to say that this is legitimate if we don't have confidence in the information."

Regardless, as the Washington Times' Joseph Clark wrote, some Trump election fraud true-believers who also happen to serve as elected officials are not willing to give up on the ghost of a chance Lindell will soon succeed.

"As Mr. Lindell's claims unraveled last week in front of an audience of 40 million online viewers and roughly 500 people attending in person, Republican state and municipal lawmakers at the Sioux Falls event became even more galvanized in their quest to overturn the election," Clark wrote. "Still convinced that the election was stolen from Donald Trump, they headed back to their state capitals primed to advance audits and investigations of the ballot counts."

Case in point, Virginia state Sen. Amanda Chase (R) who explained that she thinks the pillow and bedding company executive just needs more time.



https://www.rawstory.com/mike-lindell-symposium/

[keith]

Lindell also said he can't release his data because then other people would alter it, and then the narrative would be about the altered data. Which is basically what Arpaio and Zullo said ... almost six years ago.

Pretty much what the Church said about the Bible for over 1500 years too.

[filly]

[bob]

To state the very obvious, TruNews is the -fa in antifa.

[Suranis]

Lindell also said he can't release his data because then other people would alter it, and then the narrative would be about the altered data. Which is basically what Arpaio and Zullo said ... almost six years ago.

Pretty much what the Church said about the Bible for over 1500 years too.

At the risk of a threadjack, I'll just say "Not true" and leave it at that.

[Jim]

You know it's gone beyond absurd when grifters are trying to grift off grifters.

[Slim Cognito]

[keith]

Pretty much what the Church said about the Bible for over 1500 years too.

At the risk of a threadjack, I'll just say "Not true" and leave it at that.

I apologize, you are correct, it was not 1600 years. It was only about 1100 years between completion of the Jerome's Latin Vulgate (405CE) to John Wycliffe's full English version in the late 1400's.

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In between there were a few translations of small parts for use by Missionaries, not the general population, but...

These are missionary endeavours, promoted by rulers as an act of government when pagan Europe is being brought into the Christian fold. In the later fully Christian centuries there is no equivalent need to provide the holy texts in vernacular form. Any such impulse is now a radical demand on behalf of ordinary Christians against the church hierarchy.

(Read more: http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/Pla ... z73tvM0q8s)

The Cathar's made one such 'radical demand' and worked on a translation for their use in the 12th century, but we all know what happened to them. Even Wycliffe met with opposition when he finally broke the logjam two centuries later:

A complaint by an English contemporary of Wycliffe, the chronicler Henry Knighton, is a measure of how far the church of Rome has swung on this issue since Jerome's campaign against 'ignorance of scripture'. Knighton rejects translation of the Bible on the grounds that by this means 'the jewel of the church is turned into the common sport of the people'.

Read more: http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/Pla ... z73tw5mMKh

Which I will repeat in reverse: that is basically what Bob said Lindell said about why he cannot release his data to the public - it would be "turned into the common sport of the people".

[Patagoniagirl]

Lindell also said he can't release his data because then other people would alter it, and then the narrative would be about the altered data. Which is basically what Arpaio and Zullo said ... almost six years ago.

Pretty much what the Church said about the Bible for over 1500 years too.

Kind of how most grifts and scams go.

[Luke]

Lauren Witzke (who reports for TruNews) posted on Telegram about it...

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[Suranis]

I apologize, you are correct, it was not 1600 years. It was only about 1100 years between completion of the Jerome's Latin Vulgate (405CE) to John Wycliffe's full English version in the late 1400's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_tra ... to_English

Old English
Main article: Old English Bible translations

John Wycliffe is credited with producing the first complete translation of the Bible into English in the year 1382. In the centuries before this, many had taken on to translate large portions of the Bible into English. Parts of the Bible were first translated from the Latin Vulgate into Old English by a few monks and scholars. Such translations were generally in the form of prose or as interlinear glosses (literal translations above the Latin words).[3][self-published source?]

Very few complete translations existed during that time. Most of the books of the Bible existed separately and were read as individual texts. Translations of the Bible often included the writer's own commentary on passages in addition to the literal translation.[3]

Aldhelm, Bishop of Sherborne and Abbot of Malmesbury (639–709), is thought to have written an Old English translation of the Psalms.

Bede (c. 672–735) produced a translation of the Gospel of John into Old English, which he is said to have prepared shortly before his death. This translation is lost; we know of its existence from Cuthbert of Jarrow's account of Bede's death.[4]

In the 10th century an Old English translation of the Gospels was made in the Lindisfarne Gospels: a word-for-word gloss inserted between the lines of the Latin text by Aldred, Provost of Chester-le-Street.[5] This is the oldest extant translation of the Gospels into the English language.[5]

The Wessex Gospels (also known as the West-Saxon Gospels) are a full translation of the four gospels into a West Saxon dialect of Old English. Produced in approximately 990, they are the first translation of all four gospels into English without the Latin text.[3]

In the 11th century, Abbot Ælfric translated much of the Old Testament into Old English. The Old English Hexateuch is an illuminated manuscript of the first six books of the Old Testament (the Hexateuch).

Another copy of that text, without lavish illustrations but including a translation of the Book of Judges (hence also called the Old English Heptateuch), is found in Oxford, Bodleian Library, Laud Misc. 509.[3]

And that's just English. if you are talking Vernacular, i.e. local language, there are a lot more.

Complaining about translations and behaving as though all they had to do was pop them into google translate, and then making a conspiracy out of it is larking up the wrong tree. Books took a lot of extremely tedious labour to copy. Given the effort involved, it made more sense to copy books it in a language everyone who was literate across Europe could read. But vernacular translations were commissioned all the time, as there was nothing against doing them.

The motive certainly was not to have Sekret knowledge hidden away. Especially considering the Church was involved in education at the same time as preaching those very same Gospels.

[Foggy]

So he has to apologize, retract, and pay $1 million to TruthOut?

Change approved!

[raison de arizona]

Might I respectfully request that whoever is interested starts a thread regarding arguing about religion and we stop sprinkling these arguments throughout unrelated threads? That would be great, thx!

[Uninformed]