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Cyber Ninjas leader ignored records contradicting his false claim
Speaking before several thousand supporters at a “Rally to Protect Our Elections” in downtown Phoenix, former President Donald Trump recited a litany of alleged findings from the Arizona Senate’s self-styled election audit, including a debunked claim that 74,000 mail-in ballots were counted despite no record of them being sent to voters.

“There’s no record of them being sent, but they were counted. So, nobody knows where the hell are they?” Trump told the crowd at Arizona Federal Theatre on July 24.

The former president didn’t realize it, but Trump personally found a voter who had cast one of those ballots. Later in his speech, he asked each of the Republican gubernatorial candidates who had spoken earlier in the day to stand up and be recognized. Among those candidates was state Treasurer Kimberly Yee, who was one of the 74,000 voters.

She was, in fact, very real, and had cast a perfectly legal ballot. According to Maricopa County’s files, Yee cast her ballot in-person at an early voting center on Oct. 28.
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Logan, who noted that the county’s refusal to cooperate with the audit made his job more difficult, said during testimony in the Arizona Senate on July 15 that he didn’t know whether those ballots were legitimate. He recommended that the audit team resolve the issue by reviving a previously aborted plan to knock on voters’ doors to confirm that they actually cast ballots in the election, a plan that the U.S. Department of Justice said could violate voters’ constitutional rights.

What Logan didn’t mention during his public briefing to Senate President Karen Fann and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Warren Petersen was that he had records from Maricopa County election officials showing that almost every one of those voters had legally cast a legitimate ballot at an in-person early voting center.

And he’d had the records for months.


The county’s master file, known as the “voted list,” shows each person who cast a ballot in the election — and a letter code indicating whether they voted on Election Day, by mail or at an in-person early voting center. The reason there was no record of mail-in ballots being sent to them was because, like Yee, they voted early at an in-person voting center during the last 10 days before the election.
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ABC15 and the Arizona Mirror examined the same records that Logan has, and found 74,241 people who are listed as voting by early ballot but aren’t on the EV32 reports. Of those voters, 74,238 appear in the master file of general election voters. More than 99.4% of those people — 73,819, to be exact — voted in-person at early voting centers.
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That means Logan, who is in charge of a team tasked with determining whether there were problems with the 2020 general election in Maricopa County, either didn’t take the basic step of checking the names against the master list of voters or knowingly told Fann and Petersen — and, by extension, the world — something that was untrue.

Had Logan checked the voted file, he would have found that nearly every one of those 74,000 names was listed as having cast an in-person early ballot. Instead, he made a false claim that quickly gained traction among supporters of the “stop the steal” movement that believes the election was rigged against Trump. Several Republican lawmakers and political candidates in Arizona have used Logan’s testimony to claim that 74,000 ballots were problematic.
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After Logan made his erroneous claim in the Senate, it quickly became apparent that it was based on in-person early voters who cast ballots during the 10 days before the election.
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Though voters couldn’t request early ballots by mail after Oct. 23, they could still cast them at in-person early voting centers throughout the county. Each of those votes was recorded on an EV33 report that didn’t have a corresponding EV32 report. The reports are dated, meaning Logan could see clearly that there were 10 days’ worth of reports on early ballot returns that didn’t have a corresponding report on early ballot requests.

Fann and a spokesman for Logan did not respond to a request for comment.
Maricopa County officials have repeatedly refused to cooperate with the audit team in any way, and Fann has blamed the county for not answering the team’s questions. Fann previously defended Logan’s claim about the 74,000 votes, saying, “Maricopa County had the records. No one else does.” She refused to comment on the revelation that Logan did, in fact, have the records he needed to verify the validity of those ballots.
Anyone surprised by this? Anyone?

So, CN had all the records. Logan either lied about not having the records, was too incompetent to see materials right in front of him, and/or was too incompetent to do a goggle search. His motivation? He wanted permission to canvass in MC.
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The Senate is appealing this week's ruling requiring that they turn over documents immediately.
Arizona Senate President Karen Fann and other Republicans in her caucus are fighting to keep secret the records of the 2020 election audit they are directing despite a judge's order that they "immediately" hand over all communications related to the effort.

Fann, R-Prescott, Sen. Warren Petersen, R-Gilbert, and the Arizona Senate filed a petition in the Arizona Court of Appeals on Wednesday in hopes of overturning the order.

Their attorneys, Kory Langhofer and Thomas Basile, wrote that the Superior Court judge's order is "an extraordinary incursion into the sovereign affairs" of the Legislature. They also continued to argue, as they did unsuccessfully in a lower court, that the records held by the Senate's contractor, Cyber Ninjas, are not public.
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Langhofer and Basile said the defendants will turn over records in their possession but not those held by Cyber Ninjas.

"The Senate has consistently taken the position, however, that it cannot and will not obtain, review or produce any records that are in the physical possession or physical custody of Cyber Ninjas and/or one of its subvendors," they wrote in their petition to the Court of Appeals.

They also argue that the Senate doesn't have to comply with the Public Records Act, which states that records related to government functions are public, because the senators have legislative immunity from lawsuits.


"Because the audit is a legislative function and because decisions concerning whether and to what extent to release audit-related documents is integral to that legislative function, the defendants are constitutionally immune from American Oversight’s claims," they wrote.
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Lawyers for American Oversight filed a response opposing to the Senate's motion, saying the documents should be turned over as previously ordered, and questioning whether Cyber Ninjas and the other subcontractors paid to work on the audit are preserving the records.
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Ninjas want new judge on case
Cyber Ninjas also continues to fight the lawsuit brought by The Republic. After a request for a change of judge was denied, Cyber Ninjas asked the Arizona Supreme Court for a new judge.

The Supreme Court will review that request. Superior Court Judge John Hannah is presiding over The Republic's case.

Cyber Ninjas asked the court to replace Hannah or disqualify him because of what the defendants called an "unacceptable degree of intemperance" they claim Hannah showed while presiding over an election case involving the state Republican party and the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in November.

Cyber Ninjas argued in a court pleading that because Hannah referenced the election audit in that case he had shown a bias against the audit and therefore wouldn't offer a fair venue for the current case.
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Republicans, all of them, are like Demi Moore in A Few Good Men

(paraphrasing)

"Objection"

"Denied"

"I STORNGLY OBJECT"

"Denied"

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"Your objection has been heard and denied. The witness is an expert and The Court will hear his testimony"

"...you just made the jury know that we're afraid of what he wants to say"

Except they try every damn traffic ticket issue up to SCOTUS (twice!) and hope everyone dies before they have to bring it.
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Funny how the reason for having an audit, so they claim, is because the American people should want the know the whole truth of the election and to resist an audit means you want to hide something. Shockingly, that same reason does not apply to Karen and the Cyber Nitwits.
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Fann wonders, again, why we all can't get along. (The day after the senate filed an appeal to block releasing everything.)



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I had four hours of windshield time with NPR as my copilot as I moved in and out of range of several FM stations. One of the discussions was about the rationale behind the fraudit, and one theory in particular stuck with me: It's to get states to change how they select their electors. Specifically, it's to give state legislatures the ability to select electors despite the popular vote. IE: ignore the democratic process if you don't like the outcome.

The long game for the GOP has been to focus on state governments trying to make a majority GOP. The next step is to institute new rules that allow the states to override the public, and guarantee the GOP can install any president they want.

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I suspect there is also a second motivation, though it is more from the grass roots camp rather than the more organized dark money one, and that would be to weaken the idea of the secret ballot. These people grew up steeped in the paranoia that communists could be hiding anywhere and are both their neighbors and elected officials. They have wanted a way to verify who is really on their side and who is a secret commie for a long time, and this would fit in well with the idea of citizens groups being able to see who voted how.

I do not think the big money backers care even a little about this, but the activist end does and you can see this in all their pushes to start canvasing.
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I think my neighbors caught on when I flew a Chinese flag on the 4th of July last year. :rotflmao: :hammerandsickle:
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Gregg wrote: Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:26 pm I think my neighbors caught on when I flew a Chinese flag on the 4th of July last year. :rotflmao: :hammerandsickle:
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Wendy Rogers: "We're coming for you. You better check your six."

Rogers also mailed an orange prison uniform to Gates.

Pretty egregious.
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LM K wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:25 am https:// youtu.be/Xk0ud6fyrV0

Wendy Rogers: "We're coming for you. You better check your six."

Rogers also mailed an orange prison uniform to Gates.

Pretty egregious.
The Bil Gates of AZ is I believe also a bit off about "the routers" - he speaks about "routers" as if they were databases (he speaks of logs), not machines at 3'20"ff.
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RTH10260 wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:35 am
LM K wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:25 am https:// youtu.be/Xk0ud6fyrV0

Wendy Rogers: "We're coming for you. You better check your six."

Rogers also mailed an orange prison uniform to Gates.

Pretty egregious.
The Bil Gates of AZ is I believe also a bit off about "the routers" - he speaks about "routers" as if they were databases (he speaks of logs), not machines at 3'20"ff.
I understood it more as a shorthand for "the routers are routers for the county systems, and so accessing their settings would show the behind-the-firewall network configuration of our network which also houses our public safety and other critical infrastructure-supporting systems", but that's just me.
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Ben-Prime wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:29 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:35 am
LM K wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:25 am https:// youtu.be/Xk0ud6fyrV0

Wendy Rogers: "We're coming for you. You better check your six."

Rogers also mailed an orange prison uniform to Gates.

Pretty egregious.
The Bil Gates of AZ is I believe also a bit off about "the routers" - he speaks about "routers" as if they were databases (he speaks of logs), not machines at 3'20"ff.
I understood it more as a shorthand for "the routers are routers for the county systems, and so accessing their settings would show the behind-the-firewall network configuration of our network which also houses our public safety and other critical infrastructure-supporting systems", but that's just me.
There may be some confusion among the non-technicians, that the "databases" or "logs" are meant to be configuration files. Configurations are volatile over time. What was valid on Election Day will have changed, even during the vote counting period. The ninja guys will have to perform some rally crazy karate moves to find something relevant to twist into a conspiracy.
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Arizona AG opens investigation into Maricopa County Board of Supervisors' objections to new election audit subpoenas
In an August 6 letter, the Arizona Attorney General's office said that it is investigating the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors' failure to comply with election audit-related subpoenas issued by the state Senate, according to a tweet by State Sen. Kelli Ward.



If his office finds that the board has violated a provision of state law or the Arizona Constitution by not complying with the subpoenas, Republican Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich will file an action in the Arizona State Supreme Court, allowing the board 30 days to resolve the violation, the letter said. The state treasurer will be notified to withhold and redistribute money designated for Maricopa County if the board fails to remedy the violation in time, according to the letter.
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The attorney general's letter concluded by requesting a written response from the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors by 5 p.m. on Friday, August 20.
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LM K wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:59 am Arizona AG opens investigation into Maricopa County Board of Supervisors' objections to new election audit subpoenas
In an August 6 letter, the Arizona Attorney General's office said that it is investigating the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors' failure to comply with election audit-related subpoenas issued by the state Senate, according to a tweet by State Sen. Kelli Ward.

https:// twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1424508555281928192

If his office finds that the board has violated a provision of state law or the Arizona Constitution by not complying with the subpoenas, Republican Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich will file an action in the Arizona State Supreme Court, allowing the board 30 days to resolve the violation, the letter said. The state treasurer will be notified to withhold and redistribute money designated for Maricopa County if the board fails to remedy the violation in time, according to the letter.
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The attorney general's letter concluded by requesting a written response from the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors by 5 p.m. on Friday, August 20.
:doh: so there will be no elections in the near future ?

(I understand that the directive may be to pressure the Board cause they have obligations like salaries to pay.)
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LM K wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:59 am Arizona AG opens investigation into Maricopa County Board of Supervisors' objections to new election audit subpoenas
In an August 6 letter, the Arizona Attorney General's office said that it is investigating the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors' failure to comply with election audit-related subpoenas issued by the state Senate, according to a tweet by State Sen. Kelli Ward.

https:// twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1424508555281928192

If his office finds that the board has violated a provision of state law or the Arizona Constitution by not complying with the subpoenas, Republican Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich will file an action in the Arizona State Supreme Court, allowing the board 30 days to resolve the violation, the letter said. The state treasurer will be notified to withhold and redistribute money designated for Maricopa County if the board fails to remedy the violation in time, according to the letter.
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The attorney general's letter concluded by requesting a written response from the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors by 5 p.m. on Friday, August 20.
Will the AG find that the Senate first needs to invoke the courts to have the subpoenas resolved?
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IANAL and all that, but wouldn't the Senate have to exhaust the statutory remedies* available to it first before they could invoke the court?

* a finding of contempt by Senate resolution, then having the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrest the BoS.

This is what they did back in February 2021

https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/1R/ ... R1005P.pdf

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https://law.justia.com/codes/arizona/20 ... n-41-1153/
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RTH10260 wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:46 am

:doh: so there will be no elections in the near future ?

(I understand that the directive may be to pressure the Board cause they have obligations like salaries to pay.)
if they turn over the routers, won't they still have a problem taking care of obligations?

Too also, will this turn into a dog caught the car situation? If the routers don't show what they allege they will show, in addition to jeopardizing the county and citizens' security and personal info, also in addition to crippling the county's daily services, then what?
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Slim Cognito wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:42 am .............then what?
Business as usual for those fuckwits.
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Chilidog wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:35 am IANAL and all that, but wouldn't the Senate have to exhaust the statutory remedies* available to it first before they could invoke the court?

* a finding of contempt by Senate resolution, then having the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrest the BoS.

This is what they did back in February 2021

https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/1R/ ... R1005P.pdf

The statute
https://law.justia.com/codes/arizona/20 ... n-41-1153/
This is why a few Repubs filed a complaint with the AG.

The motion for contempt failed in the senate. One Repub voted no. Recently, another Repub senator, whom previously supported the audit, came out and said she no longer supported the audit because it's too insane to continue supporting. The senate had a tiny chance of winning a contempt motion if they could bully one colleague to change his vote. The senate knows another vote will fail.

The crap with the AG is nothing but crap. Why hasn't the senate asked a judge to fully enforce the first subpoenas? Because the judge already told them that he won't enforce the subpoena for passwords because he believed MC when they said they didn't have the passwords. The senate knows that a judge won't enforce the most recent subpoenas.

It would be much more expedient for the senate to go to court than to wait a month or more for the completion of the AG report. Especially since MCBOS will file an injunction the min his report is done. This can take months. The senate doesn't have months.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:42 am
RTH10260 wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:46 am

:doh: so there will be no elections in the near future ?

(I understand that the directive may be to pressure the Board cause they have obligations like salaries to pay.)
if they turn over the routers, won't they still have a problem taking care of obligations?

Too also, will this turn into a dog caught the car situation? If the routers don't show what they allege they will show, in addition to jeopardizing the county and citizens' security and personal info, also in addition to crippling the county's daily services, then what?
This is why the senate subpoenaed a log of server activity in liu of the physical routers. The log will make the server just as insecure as access to the physical routers.
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[b]MARICOPA BOARD WHINES ABOUT POSSIBILITY OF GOING TO JAIL[/b]

They should be in jail. Whoever sent the Maricopa Board of Supervisors an orange jump suit should be given a medal.

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Lessons from Maricopa County:
Slow Facts versus Fast Lies in the Battle Against Disinformation


Our Purpose
People unfamiliar with elections are unaware of how the pieces fit together. To most registered voters, voting is simple: you get your ballot, make your selections, feed your ballot into the voting machine, or return it by mail. Then, on Election Night, you watch TV to see who won.

But, for those like us, who have built a federally certified voting system, or who have closely monitored election administration and outcomes in a swing state, elections are anything but simple. The patchwork of election laws, procedural inconsistencies, contradictory technical requirements, and a highly polarized electorate have set the stage for the large-scale disinformation campaign we are currently experiencing.

Now, at a time when “concerns,” not facts, drive legislation, and when specious “forensic audits” erode the winner’s right to govern legitimately, we are compelled to fight back by providing factual analysis.

With over 35 years of combined election experience, we know that there are publicly available tools and data that can debunk election disinformation. If legislators, litigators, and judges were aware of this data, they could be more effective in stopping additional "forensic audits." Armed with hard data, the media could shift the narrative away from anecdotal "evidence" and "concerns" to facts.

The purpose of this report is to use the Maricopa "forensic audit" as an example of how public data can be harnessed to fight disinformation and, hopefully, to thwart the further expansion of these threats to our democracy.

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