.[..]so I consider myself somehow (partly) an American. But without being boundto US-laws, of course.-----------------------------------------
Hawaii confirmed it. You need an eyewitness to the birth?
I think the BC is probably genuine and find it surprising that theforgery theories have not been proven or disproven by nowin a way that there is consensus now.
Birthers screamed "Where's the Birth Certificate". So, Obama asked for special dispensation and Hawaii released the "Long Form".Birthers now scream "Where's the Real Birth Certificate". =)) I don't think it would take long for you to make a flow chart as to what the birthers reaction would be upon release of any and all information. Why has everyone started to use initials for their screen names?
But also surprisingthat the whitehouse didn't jump in and clarify things.
There isn't a [/break1]merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus]consensus?
I think the BC is probably genuine and find it surprising that the
forgery theories have not been proven or disproven by now
[highlight=#ffff40]in a way that there is consensus now...[/highlight]
You do realize that if, somehow, the Obama-haters were forced to admit that the birth certificate(s) weren't forged, they would move the goalposts?
Some already did, long ago: they said that even if the facts of his birth were true, he would be ineligible due to his father's citizenship. Curiously, in order to support THIS theory, they need the official nativity story to be true.
Some have moved the goalposts the other way: the birth certificate(s) is/are as "genuine" as any other official document of Hawaii, but Hawaii is "in on the conspiracy."
What do you think is the probability that some people will always exist, no matter how iron-clad the "consensus" is, to claim that something is wrong about Obama's existence? My answer: 100%
If my answer of 100% is true, how valid is it to measure the chances of the BC's validity by whether pissant grifters like "Lord" Monckton, Farah, & Corsi, racists like Meroni, Irion, & Apuzzo, utter fruitcakes like Rivstedt & Vandemoer, or combinations of all three like Taitz, still harbor doubts?
How about this: I find it instructive (but not surprising) that the forgery theory has not been proven. In fact, not one piece of discussion for the theory of forgery even approaches the level of proof. In fact, if everything the birthers said about the PDF of the LFBC was suddenly found to be 100% true and accurate, it still wouldn't have the slightest bearing on the validity of the LFBC, let alone prove it is forgery. So if your concern for this matter is sincere, I suggest you apply the same standard to the birthers that you seem to be applying to the White House.
If you solved some puzzle about a famous topographical theorem, and were published, and received acclaim from the whole mathematical profession, and I came along -- not a mathematician, not a scientist, I just don't trust people named "gsgs" and have a documented history of dislike of Germans, particularly Germans with notable achievements -- and started publishing articles claiming your proof is wrong, based on an analysis of the layers and fonts in a pdf of your paper, and asked for money to help fight your career... would anyone be justified in suddenly being concerned that your work had "not been proven or disproven" or did not enjoy "consensus"?
I think not.
Nah - that's just a cover story put out by the invisible silicon based aliens who are our true masters. ;)
Hmmm, so Welsh, are you saying you don't think the world is run by 6 foot reptilian shape-shifters? How very pedestrian of you.
Mahalo for that Suranis! I forwarded that to my daughter who's an actuary with a master's in math, & to her teacher husband who has a master's in education. I'll admit, that I found it getting hard to help her with her homework right about when she was in 9th grade. No vote from me in gsgs's silly survey, since there was no option for 0%. Perhaps our new friend is one of the pollsters who convinced Orly she'd soon be a US senator? :-k
Or, it could be because he is a FEMA Camper. :- Membership has it's privileges™.
The "Sorry but you are not permitted to use the search system" warning usually happens with you're not logged in. We'll have to let Foggy have a look at it. You might want to PM him and ask.
This is one of the reasons you have been relocated to the FEMA Camp. Why do you consider there needs to be a "real, official examination" in Hawai'i? President Obama has released his birth certificate, which no other president has ever done. Hawai'i has confirmed that the information on the birth certificate matches the information they hold in their records. What needs to be investigated? The only people who think there is a need for any more "investigation", or who think there is any doubt, are birthers, who would never be convinced no matter what. Because they are racist morons.If you are not a birther, or a racist moron, why are you calling for more investigation and constructing dishonest polls?for grammar[/edit]
but it would make it appear more likely and in that case I think pressurewould mount to do a real,official examination in Hawaii.
Yeah, which is about the 10th thing that "would finally satisfy them". They've already set up the defense for the miniscule chance that such an investigation would ever happen... the original was made from the forged pdf posted online... the original was made using 1961 ink/paper then Mission Impossible like slipped into the book in the vault in HI. ](*,) Nothing... absolutely nothing, will ever satisfy them, which has been predicted over and over and which they have demonstrated repeatedly.
And some of the leading birthers have already stated that such an investigationwould finally satisfy them and put the thing to rest.If performed and documented properly.
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