The dregs of birther remainders.

[p0rtia]

Gonna have to get the band together again.

[Reality Check]

Gonna have to get the band together again.

That's why I kept my blog.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Looks like I'll be hitting 25 years of anti-birthering this November in stride.

[Luke]

We should use AI to auto-generate replies to birfers. They'll be using the same stupid arguments with the same failed ideas. We could post a list of AI-generated replies that folks can just paste and post to shoot their idiocy down with much less effort than last time.

Quick example:

Rebut that Kamala Harris is not a natural born citizen because her parents were not born in the USA. Debunk current birther claims against VP Harris. Use legal cases, scholarly article references and experts.

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To rebut the claim that Kamala Harris is not a natural-born citizen because her parents were not born in the USA, here are several key points, supported by legal cases, scholarly articles, and expert opinions:

1. Legal Definition of "Natural-Born Citizen"
Rebuttal:
The term “natural-born citizen” is defined by the U.S. Constitution and has been consistently interpreted to include individuals born in the United States. Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, California, making her a natural-born citizen by virtue of the 14th Amendment, which grants citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil.

Supporting Case:

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898): The Supreme Court held that a child born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents is a natural-born citizen under the 14th Amendment. This case solidifies the principle that the citizenship status of parents does not affect the citizenship status of the child born on American soil.

2. Historical Precedents
Rebuttal:
Historical precedents have consistently supported the notion that being born on U.S. soil confers natural-born citizenship, regardless of parental citizenship. This precedent was applied to numerous public figures and officials.

Supporting Cases:

Minor v. Happersett (1875): While not directly on the natural-born citizen issue, this case established the broad understanding of citizenship as outlined in the 14th Amendment. It confirmed that citizenship is not contingent upon the citizenship status of the parents if the individual is born on U.S. soil.

3. Current Judicial Consensus
Rebuttal:
No court has ruled that Kamala Harris is ineligible due to her parents’ citizenship. The claims against her eligibility have been dismissed, reflecting a consensus that being born in the U.S. qualifies her as a natural-born citizen. [WOO HOO! Rev Dr Laity Esq SHOUTOUT! Luv when Birfers become precedent or examples.]

Supporting Cases:

Holmes v. United States (1929): This case supported the understanding that natural-born citizenship applies to those born on U.S. soil, regardless of their parents' citizenship status.

4. Scholarly Articles and Expert Opinions
Rebuttal:
Scholarly articles and legal experts agree that the citizenship status of parents does not disqualify someone from being a natural-born citizen if they are born on U.S. soil. The prevailing legal interpretation supports Kamala Harris’s eligibility.

Supporting Sources:

"The Meaning of 'Natural Born Citizen'” by Professor Edward A. Hartnett: This article discusses the legal interpretation of natural-born citizenship and supports the view that place of birth is the primary criterion.
"American Citizenship: A History" by Professor David E. Kyvig: This book provides an extensive review of citizenship laws and supports the argument that being born in the U.S. confers natural-born status.

5. Clarification of Misconceptions
Rebuttal:
The misconception that parents' citizenship affects a child’s eligibility is based on incorrect interpretations of the Constitution. Kamala Harris’s birth in the U.S. satisfies all legal requirements for natural-born citizenship.

Expert Opinion:

Professor Jack M. Balkin, Constitutional Law Scholar: Balkin has explained that the natural-born citizen requirement is met by those born on U.S. soil, aligning with the 14th Amendment’s broad interpretation of citizenship.

Summary
Kamala Harris’s status as a natural-born citizen is firmly supported by U.S. law and precedent. The 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil, regardless of their parents' citizenship. Judicial rulings, scholarly analysis, and expert opinions all affirm that Harris’s birth in Oakland, California, makes her a natural-born citizen, debunking current birther claims.

Twitter Replies:
Reply:
"Claims that Kamala Harris isn’t a natural-born citizen because of her parents’ citizenship are baseless. U.S. courts and scholars affirm that being born in the U.S. grants natural-born status. See the Wong Kim Ark case for legal precedent. #FactCheck #KamalaHarris"

Reply:
"Kamala Harris’s eligibility is backed by the 14th Amendment and numerous court rulings. Her birth in the U.S. makes her a natural-born citizen, regardless of her parents' citizenship. Birther claims against her have no legal standing. #LegalFacts #Kamala2024"

Reply:
"Birther claims about Kamala Harris’s citizenship are incorrect. The 14th Amendment and court cases like Wong Kim Ark confirm that anyone born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen. Claims otherwise are unsupported by law. #Debunked #KamalaHarris"

Reply:
"Legal precedent and expert opinions confirm Kamala Harris’s natural-born status. Born in Oakland, CA, she meets all criteria for U.S. citizenship. Birther arguments against her are baseless and contrary to established law. #CourtRulings #Kamala2024"

[bob]

We should use AI to auto-generate replies to birfers.

Because it is relatively easy to goad chatbots, birthers on the bird site are posting screenshots of their chats that "prove" Harris is ineligible.

(Side note: Idiotocracy was a documentary.)

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History: What Are the Qualifications to Be President of the United States?

To their credit, the author and the site updated this article. It now reads:

According to the Constitution, there are just three basic qualifications for being president:

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2. Citizenship: The person must be a “natural born citizen,” meaning they were either born on American soil or born abroad to American parents. The president cannot become an American citizen through the naturalization process.

That's still not quite correct (see, e.g., Cruz), but it is fixed concerning at least Harris.

[bob]

Ob. P&E: Kamala Harris is not Eligible to be President:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution requires, among other things, that the president of the United States must be a natural born (American) Citizen.

Ob. P&E: Kamala Harris Got Away With It As VP – She Should Not Be Allowed to Get Away With It As The Commander In Chief – Trump Should Challenge Her Constitutional Eligibility:

Trump will have the legal standing in federal courts to do so if she is nominated for that office by the DNC. And Trump should do so to force SCOTUS to take up the issue of the “natural born Citizen” term as it applies to whom can constitutionally serve as the President and Commander in Chief (and VP per the 12th Amendment) and resolve it. The courts evaded the issue using “lack of standing by the plaintiffs” for Obama and then also for Harris for VP. They should not do that again.

All that's missing for the hat trick is "DeMaio"'s rambling (with Laity's camping in the comments for the assist).

[bob]

Ingrassia deserves some recognition for making BLT twice:

[Frater I*I]

Are we gonna see a birther renaissance....

[bob]

Are we gonna see a birther renaissance....

"gonna"?

Already happening.

The Republican nominee says he'll end birthright citizenship (something he didn't do when he was the president). So these attacks on Harris' eligibility are dog-whistles for those who wanted it ended.

[Dr. Ken]

Are we gonna see a birther renaissance....

"gonna"?

Already happening.

The Republican nominee says he'll end birthright citizenship (something he didn't do when he was the president). So these attacks on Harris' eligibility are dog-whistles for those who wanted it ended.

Yup I keep running into people all over twitter making the claim. Arguing with some guy who keeps using an appeal from authority because he was a border patrol agent. He clearly hasn't read US V Wong Kim Ark and keeps misapplying birth tourism and anchor baby to Kamala. Another guy asked for cases that say people born here are a natural born citizen. When showed multiple Obama cases he moved the goalpost because one of the cases I think it was Farrar who mentioned Obama's mother was born here. nevermind the next part that agreed with Indiana and said he was a natural born citizen based on his birth in hawaii. He then has moved on to using eastman's failed argument.

[shannon]

Yeah, look for a resurrection of the birther movement.

Honestly, that was one of my first thoughts too. Not to mention the whole "14th/19th Amendment Citizen" and "sacred sperm of citizenship" vomit frittata.

Honestly, the birtherstani should be giddy at the idea of President Kamala Harris. They could dust off their tired debunked theories and start grifting again like the old days.

[shannon]

Gonna have to get the band together again.

*Chuckle*. I'll be happy to throw in my three cents, but I think my spouse would skin me alive if I went back to political blogging....

[MN-Skeptic]

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Mike is on it.
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Mike Dunford
@questauthority

I'm going to try and do a stream tomorrow (likely start time 9 pm Eastern) to explain why this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (And go over the other predictable birther arguments, and explain why they are nonsense.)

Mike includes this tweet -

https://x.com/PaulIngrassia/status/1815124668564615337

Paul Ingrassia
@PaulIngrassia

According to constitutional scholar @DrJohnEastman of the @ClaremontInst (an opinion I share alongside many other legal professionals), Kamala Harris is ineligible to serve as President under the 12th Amendment.

Thus, Kamala must step aside for another candidate who is actually a natural born citizen.

Read Eastman’s great legal analysis here: https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions ... on-1524483

Edited to add - Eastman's article in Newsweek was published Aug 2020. Newsweek later prefaced it was an apology starting with: "Editor's note, 8/14: This op-ed is being used by some as a tool to perpetuate racism and xenophobia. We apologize. The essay, by John Eastman, was intended to explore a minority legal argument about the definition of who is a "natural-born citizen" in the United States. But to many readers, the essay inevitably conveyed the ugly message that Senator Kamala Harris, a woman of color and the child of immigrants, was somehow not truly American."

It's worth looking at just for the entire apology.

[p0rtia]

Excellent start. Mike will be on Nicolle Wallace's show before you know it.

[Ben-Prime]

Excellent start. Mike will be on Nicolle Wallace's show before you know it.

Maybe he can get a show of his own. This election season has given us a lot of talking heads I wouldn't mind seeing depart the airwaves (NADT).

[bob]

Nevermind me parking this here:

Neal v. Harris (S.D. Ohio, Nov. 13, 2020), Case No. 20-840:

The Court further notes that, even if Petitioner satisfied the requirements for standing (he does not), and the requirements for a writ (a question the Court does not, and need not, reach), his constitutional argument would fail, as he concedes that Respondent Harris was born in Oakland, California. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702 (1898); accord Tisdale v. Obama, No. 3:12-CV-00036-JAG, 2012 WL 7856823, at *1 (E.D. Va. Jan. 23, 2012), aff'd, 473 F. App'x 203 (4th Cir. 2012) ("It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens."); Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. Ct. App. 2009) (explaining that the crux of the plaintiffs' argument is that there is a distinction between a "citizen of the United States," as provided in the Fourteenth Amendment, and a "natural born Citizen," as required for qualification to be President under Article II, and, to the plaintiffs, "the difference involves having [two] parents of U.S. citizenship, owing no foreign allegiance," and holding that, "[based] upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause [5] and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are 'natural born Citizens' for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.").

[bob]

[Slim Cognito]

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[Dr. Ken]

First time I've seen a reference to holmes v united states?

[pipistrelle]

Oakland is in Puerto Rico?

[Volkonski]

What would be the point of having a VP who could not become president?

[Sam the Centipede]

Oakland is in Puerto Rico?

Keep up! By birther logic it's in Kampala, Kenya which is an Indonesian colony using Australian birth certificates which convert British citizenship and automatic conversion to the Islamic faith.

He, Lucas Smith, could explain.

Oh gosh, it's just like Ye Olde Birffinge Times!

[bob]

Oakland is in Puerto Rico?

To be "generous," Puerto Rico is somewhat "near" Jamaica.

[cjroberts]

I'm going to need to be grifted some Sorosbucks to get back in the fray

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[realist]

I'm going to need to be grifted some Sorosbucks to get back in the fray

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