Judge threatens to kick Trump out of court. Trump responds: "I would love it"
From CNN‘s Lauren del Valle, Kara Scannell and Jeremy Herb
Judge Lewis Kaplan warned former President Donald Trump that he could be removed from the courtroom if he’s disruptive following another complaint from E. Jean Carroll’s lawyer that Trump could be heard making comments during testimony.
Carroll lawyer Shawn Crowley said Trump could be heard commenting, saying things like, "It is a witch hunt" and “It really is a con job.”
Kaplan responded, “Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which what has been reported to me consists of. And if he disregards court orders, Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial.”
Trump threw his hands up in response.
“I understand you’re probably eager for me to do that,” Kaplan said.
Reporters in the courtroom heard Trump say, “I would love it.”
“I know you would,” Kaplan said. “You just can’t control yourself in this circumstance apparently.”
The parties then left the courtroom for lunch.
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What a circus!!
Too bad it is not televised.
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Too bad it is not televised.
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Rhetorical question: Does anyone really believe that the mango mussilini will comply with the judge's admonition to be quiet and behave?
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tfg is dying to get kicked out, it will be interesting to see if Judge Kaplan obliges him.
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He wants to be thrown out. Of course not.
The judge should throw him in a cell for a few days for contempt. No reporters, no one to scream at. Nothing. It would be the greatest hell that a Narcissist could imagine. Nothing to distract hm from the miserable scrap of flesh that is himself.
The judge should throw him in a cell for a few days for contempt. No reporters, no one to scream at. Nothing. It would be the greatest hell that a Narcissist could imagine. Nothing to distract hm from the miserable scrap of flesh that is himself.
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They're back.
Judge Kaplan: I understand there is an application.
Trump's lawyer Madaio: We move for recusal. Shawn Crowley is a former law clerk, you accepted her representation... There is an atmosphere of hostility.
Judge Kaplan: Denied
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I am firmly in favor of this outcome.Suranis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:53 pm He wants to be thrown out. Of course not.
The judge should throw him in a cell for a few days for contempt. No reporters, no one to scream at. Nothing. It would be the greatest hell that a Narcissist could imagine. Nothing to distract hm from the miserable scrap of flesh that is himself.
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Trump may believe that getting thrown out will be good for his image with his supporters, however it also is showing the jury just how unhinged and easily triggered he is. It shows the jury just how truthful Carroll is with her assertions about Trump's past vitriol spewed at her.
Tim Walz’ Golden Rule: Mind your own damn business!
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I suspect that he doesn't really care how much the jury awards Ms. Carroll. He has no intention of paying it anyway. He thinks that, he only need delay paying until he is inaugurated as POTUS. Then he can somehow make it go away with his unlimited power. At the very least, he would refuse to pay and argue that a sitting president can't be sued to enforce a civil judgement.MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:57 pm Trump may believe that getting thrown out will be good for his image with his supporters, however it also is showing the jury just how unhinged and easily triggered he is. It shows the jury just how truthful Carroll is with her assertions about Trump's past vitriol spewed at her.
Meanwhile, in the short term, it gives him fodder for his (un)Truth Social posts that the judge is biased and is denying him due process, etc. His base aleady believes this and will lap it up (and send more money).
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Katie Phang @KatiePhang wrote: Trump has been muttering loudly & slamming his hand at counsel’s table.
Judge Kaplan now, before the jury was brought back in says: “before we bring in the jury I’m just going to ask Mr. Trump to take special care to keep his voice down so the jury does not overhear it.”
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Trump attorney asks judge to recuse himself for "general hostility"
From CNN‘s Lauren del Valle, Kara Scannell and Jeremy Herb
Before the jury entered the courtroom for afternoon proceedings, Donald Trump's attorney Michael Madaio made a motion for Judge Lewis Kaplan to recuse himself from the civil defamation case, citing a “general hostility.”
Madaio pointed to an exchange Kaplan had with Trump before the lunch break after E. Jean Carroll attorney Shawn Crowley complained Trump could be heard commenting during Carroll’s testimony. The judge warned Trump that he could be removed.
“There was representations made by Shawn Crowley, who was your former law clerk, regarding some of the conduct by President Trump. You immediately accepted the representations. There was no opportunity for the defense to respond. There was no consultation of the defense,” Madaio said. “You made representations that President Trump cannot control himself, that he’s disruptive.”
"And there’s also been a general hostility towards the defense throughout this case," Trump's attorney added as the former president returned to the defense table.
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RW: Did you post on Twitter?
Carroll: Yes. Dog videos and a Christmas message wishing people care and love.
RW: Did you receive replies? Scroll through them, people will get a sense
["Shut up you chattering skeleton"]
RW: Let's show this--
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Ground?
Habba: It's prejudicial.
Judge Kaplan: All evidence is prejudicial against the party it is offered against
RW: Who is this from?
Carroll: Someone called Nebraska Cornhusker, he writes I am a trashy whore and Trump will get back at me
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Overruled.
RW: Did he post about you yesterday?
Carroll: So I've been told. On Truth Social
Carroll: This was posted as we were in the courtroom yesterday. "I had no idea who this woman was. PURE FICTION."
Roberta Kaplan: No further questions.
Judge Kaplan: Cross examination?
Habba: Give me a moment, please.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, you used to live in Montana?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Fair to say it was boring to you?
Carroll: Montana is never boring.
Habba: You were deposed twice by me - let's look. Do you recall saying you and your first husband, the spark was gone - sorry
Habba: You said, I came to New York to interview Fran Lebowitz-
Judge Kaplan: Can I get the transcript?
Roberta Kaplan: Your Honor, I don't see the difference
Habba: May I proceed?
Judge Kaplan: No. She just said something. And you haven't provided the transcript
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tfg's thoughts on Truth, such as they are (posted during the break)...
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Breaking for Judge Kaplan to explain how things work to Habba. Again
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Le sigh. Poor Habba.
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I know this conversation was posted above, but it lacked the last reported retort from the dipshit.
AND
Habba really doesn't understand how federal court works.
AND - tfg doesn't understand this trial isn't about rape and Kaplan didn't decide the case that was; it was a jury. I hope no one on this jury finds these antics funny or entertaining. Reportedly 7 men on the jury. Don't know racial or age distribution.
I feel like I've seen video clips of this behavior on court room compilation videos of unruly defendants."Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial. I understand you are probably very eager for me to do that," Kaplan said.
"I would love it. I would love it," Trump responded and waved his hands.
"I know you would because you just can’t control yourself in this circumstance," Kaplan responded.
"You can’t either," Trump responded.
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Habba really doesn't understand how federal court works.
AND - tfg doesn't understand this trial isn't about rape and Kaplan didn't decide the case that was; it was a jury. I hope no one on this jury finds these antics funny or entertaining. Reportedly 7 men on the jury. Don't know racial or age distribution.
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https://x.com/innercitypress/status/174 ... 40292?s=20Inner City Press @innercitypress wrote: Habba: Do you know if there is a communications team at the White House?
Carroll: I don't know.
Habba: I represent to you that it does -
Judge Kaplan: You're not going to be representing anything, or you'll be a witness.
Habba: Did you sue over the White House statement?
Carroll: No.
Habba: You're suing over the June 21, 2019 statements, right?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: But you got online responses before President Trump said anything?
Carroll: Correct.
Habba: 5 hours?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: Many people called you a liar before the President made his statement --
Carroll's lawyer: She's not asking a question.
Habba: I wasn't finished. It says, "You're a pathetic old hag"
Judge Kaplan: It's not in evidence.
Habba: I'm trying to get it in
Judge Kaplan: No, we are not going to read out loud a document not yet in evidence. We are going to take a break right here to 3:30 and you're going to refresh your memory about how you get a document in.
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Gee willikers Habba is a dope. She's trying to get a "gotcha" moment. She's too inexperienced (or dumb) to know how things work in federal court and tfg is just going to say how unfair the judge is to both her and him.
It's like she learned law by watching tv (and not even court tv). I bet she's not the one who'll question the expert (the one who knows how to calculate damages).
It's like she learned law by watching tv (and not even court tv). I bet she's not the one who'll question the expert (the one who knows how to calculate damages).
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