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Hoping this can be settled soon but it's a tough lift. UAW members want a wage increase of 40% over 4 years.

I am STRONGLY PRO UNION and PRO LABOR, always have been. I first got my Actors Equity (Broadway's actors) and SAG Screen Actors Guild / AFTRA American Federation of Television and Radio Actors as a teen. The GOP's union busting efforts was one reason they left me as a voter. I support the UAW members, but 40% for 150,000 workers based on a few CEO's pay seems high but solvable.
Haven’t been paying attention to the UAW strike? What you need to know:

Time has run out to avert a strike at America’s unionized automakers. The United Auto Workers contracts expired at 11:59 pm ET on Thursday. The contracts covered 145,000 UAW members at the three companies: General Motors, Ford and Stellantis, which builds vehicles under the Jeep, Ram, Dodge and Chrysler brands for North America.
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Based on their latest reports, Ford and GM are now offering a 20% raise during the life of the contract, and Stellantis is offering 17.5%. The union started with a demand for an immediate 20%, and four additional raises of 5% each over the course of a four-year deal.
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GM CEO Mary Barra sent a letter to employees Thursday saying the company’s latest offer now include a 20% raise, with an immediate 10% pay hike. The lower paid temporary employees would get $20 an hour, which represents at 20% raise from current $16.67 an hour they receive. “We are working with urgency and have proposed yet another increasingly strong offer with the goal of reaching an agreement tonight. Remember: we had a strike in 2019 and nobody won,” she said in the letter.
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Ford CEO Jim Farley told CNN the offer from Ford of a 20% raise over the life of the contract is the most lucrative offer the company has made to the union in the 80 years it has been there. But he said meeting the union’s demands of close to a 40% raise, along with a four-day work week and other benefit improvements, would have been unaffordable. Farley blamed the union for the lack of progress in negotiations. But the union has blamed the companies for waiting until the end of August or early September to make their first counteroffers.

The union came up with the 40% raise request based on the increase in the pay of CEOs at the three automakers over the last four years. Ford CEO pay rose 21%, from $17 million for Farley’s predecessor Jim Hackett in 2019, to $21 million for Farley last year. (Farley is the lowest compensated of the three CEOs.) Ford has not had a national strike since 1976 and has not had a strike of any kind at its US plants since 1978.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business ... index.html

Even some of the UAW guys think it's too much:
[Garry Quick, the president of Local 685 In Kokomo Indiana] Quick sunk into his seat inside a conference room in the union hall and thumbed his phone before looking back up at the TV. A CNN chyron read: “AUTOWORKERS ON BRINK OF HISTORIC WALKOUT”.

Had [Shawn Fain, President of the UAW[ Fain asked for too much? A 40 percent wage increase over the next four years?

“I think he did,” Quick said. “And I think he set high standards and I think everybody knows that you gotta shoot high and then you can always go lower. In the past, we’ve always set low and we’ve settled for crumbs.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/1 ... n-00116207

Lots of DOOM stories about President Biden. But where the hell is the GOP? What is the House doing? Oh, right, they can't even pass ONE of ELEVEN budgets, due end of September, and obsessed over non-politician Hunter Biden. What a joke the Republican Party has become. We need a robust two party system in America.

Word is Bernie Sanders may be heading to Detroit in solidarity. Democrats have to get this worked out, there's too much at stake for the economy and the party's reputation.

President Biden is talking with both sides. They're missing Marty Walsh, the former Labor Secretary, he was very effective. To me, this seems solvable with a compromise; if they get to 25% or 30% would it be worth it to keep striking? Biden is going to be speaking later today.

Thought we should have a topic because now that they went out, it may be a while and there will be a lot of news.

Gregg, would be really interested to hear your thoughts on this (and anyone else involved with the motor car industry).
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Barack Obama @BarackObama wrote: Fourteen years ago, when the big three automakers were struggling to stay afloat, my administration and the American people stepped in to support them. So did the auto workers in the UAW who sacrificed pay and benefits to help get the companies back on their feet. Now that our carmakers are enjoying robust profits, it’s time to do right by those same workers so the industry can emerge more united and competitive than ever.
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Is Ford not one of the Big Three? Ford didn't get gubbermint bailout money. What is he saying?
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wasn't "bailout money" .. IIRC it was guaranteed loans, which were since paid off (I think early, in the case of Chrysler).
IIRC Ford was in a free-cash position where they didn't need the guarantees.. but pretty sure they still got the UAW concessions (I'm sure Gregg knows more)
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Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/busi ... ticleShare

Details of the 2007/8 concessions.
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raison de arizona wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:03 am :snippity:
Details of the 2007/8 concessions.
Thanks, I took a buyout in 2007. I was an electrician in an assembly plant. Great money and benefits at the time, but in the previous years I had been laid off twice. With SUB pay a layoff was really not bad, we still got 85% of base pay. Then they stopped COLA. I thought that was a mistake, because I learned from a previous employer that you never get it back when inflation rises again. The contracts were giving bonuses instead of base pay increases. This held base pay lower which affected other benefits, e.g. vacation pay.
The buyout I accepted was a lot of money at the time, but I (being skilled trades), had no problem finding a job. I still don’t.
The buyout greatly benefited the company, also. Every person taking a buyout, allowed the company to take a person off the job bank and return to work.
I didn’t miss the drive, it was 52 miles each way. I rode a motorcycle frequently weather permitting, and worried a lot about hitting a deer. Maybe’s post elsewhere reminded me of that.

I still get a pension, and the A-Plan if I buy a new car.
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Word on the street is that they are getting close with Ford, but the other two are still worlds apart.
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https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status ... y4HyQ&s=19
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The United Auto Workers has filed a labor complaint against Tim Scott for saying, “You strike, you’re fired.”

The statement by Scott is violates federal labor law since he is an employer and you cannot discriminate against employees for striking.

https://t.co/DcXt0Ensj0
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Suranis wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:05 pm https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status ... y4HyQ&s=19
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The United Auto Workers has filed a labor complaint against Tim Scott for saying, “You strike, you’re fired.”

The statement by Scott is violates federal labor law since he is an employer and you cannot discriminate against employees for striking.

https://t.co/DcXt0Ensj0
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“When I hear the phrase ‘live to fight another day,’ I want to literally beat the shit out of somebody,” Fain said. “It would drive me up a wall when I would hear a leader say ‘live another day.’ Another day came and went over and over and no one fought. This is our time. We call this our generation-defining moment. This is it. … The sky has to be the limit.”
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Biden joins the UAW picket line.
More Perfect Union @MorePerfectUS wrote: Joe Biden speaking to @UAW workers on the picket line:

"You deserve what you earned, and you've earned a hell of a lot more than you're getting paid now."
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'Delusional': Trump slammed by auto workers for speech at non-union shop during strike

United Auto Workers union members blasted former President Donald Trump for planning to speak at a non-union shop during a strike this week.
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"I don't understand how [Trump] can address union workers at a non-union facility and still come off as being pro-labor," Berg told the workers.

"I don't think that Trump is pro-labor," one of the men replied. "He's got a history, a very, very long sordid history of not paying his workers."

"He's got a lot of people kind of champing at the bit trying to get paid as it is now," he continued. "It's not paying his lawyers. So yeah, as far as labor is concerned, it doesn't matter where he goes to speak. None of us are going to believe it."
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https://www.rawstory.com/delusional-tru ... ng-strike/
Video: https://rumble.com/v3l1swa-auto-workers ... trump.html
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This misquote (he said "as president" - clearly, not "in person") is making the rounds. They are so arrogant they even include the clip showing that they are lying.
Benny Johnson @bennyjohnson wrote: Joe Biden minutes after slipping on steps of Air Force One:

“I marched a lot of UAW picket lines when I was a Senator since 1973. But I tell you what— first time I’ve ever done it in person.”
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DAMN. With my bad hearing even I heard “as president.”
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Also must hurt MAGA to see middle-aged and older white guys cheering.
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Fain takes it to tfg, calls out some lies.
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Good for him. :thumbsup:

Not Wolf Blitzer.
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Union strong, video in spoiler.
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More Perfect Union @MorePerfectUS wrote: On a @UAW picket line in Michigan, workers held off scabs trying to enter a GM plant.
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raison de arizona wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 3:33 pm This misquote (he said "as president" - clearly, not "in person") is making the rounds. They are so arrogant they even include the clip showing that they are lying.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 71509?s=20
That's because they know their mouthbreathers wont click on the video anyway.
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Agreed. The word preseident is quite clear.
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