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okay Women in congress

time to ban Viagra
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NEW: Texas women who suffered medical complications when they were denied abortions are back in state court today (represented by @ReproRights) challenging the state's ban. Texas has asked the judge to dismiss the case.

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I can't tell you how much I HATE morons with no medical expertise or idea how the female body works making laws governing the female body. They think we're freakin' soda can machines. They work just fine until they don't. And when they don't, wack it until the can rolls out. No harm done.
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so 100% agree
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That is the perfect description! “Soda can machines”!
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Nebraska Teen Sentenced to 90 Days in Jail for Self-Managed Abortion
Celeste Burgess also got two years' probation for taking abortion pills and burying a stillborn fetus in 2022. Her mother is awaiting sentencing this fall.

On Thursday, a Nebraska judge sentenced 19-year-old Celeste Burgess to 90 days in jail and two years of probation on charges related to ending her pregnancy with abortion pills, according to News Channel Nebraska. She was 17 at the time of the incident in April 2022 but was charged as an adult last August; she pled guilty this spring to one felony charge of concealing or abandoning a dead body in exchange for prosecutors dropping two misdemeanor charges. She had faced up to two years in prison. Her mother, Jessica, ordered the abortion pills and is awaiting sentencing on separate charges.

Self-managed abortion isn’t illegal in Nebraska—it’s only explicitly banned in two states, Nevada and South Carolina—but prosecutors can and do criminalize people for abortion, miscarriage, and stillbirth by charging them under other statutes. States have criminalized people for their pregnancy outcomes for decades even while​​ Roe v. Wade stood, but advocates worry these types of charges will only become more frequent as millions of people live under state abortion bans.The investigation began in April 2022 after someone tipped off the police about a stillbirth and the disposal of remains. Madison County prosecutors claim that Celeste was about 29 weeks pregnant when she had the stillbirth. She and her mother burned and buried the remains with the help of another person last spring before the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision overturning Roe.

According to a search warrant affidavit obtained by Jezebel, police obtained Celeste’s medical records and noted one appointment in early March 2022 where she was estimated to be 23 weeks and two days pregnant. (It’s not known when Celeste first learned she was pregnant or when she told her mother.) At the time, Nebraska banned abortions 22 weeks after the last menstrual period, or 20 weeks post-fertilization, which meant care after that point was unavailable in clinics or hospitals. (The state has since passed a 12-week ban that’s currently in effect but facing legal challenges.) Still, these laws apply to licensed abortion providers, not people self-managing their own terminations.
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Shitheads.
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Tearful Texas doctor recalls being forced to travel out of state for abortion
Austin Dennard unable to obtain abortion in home state because of confusion surrounding exceptions under restrictive Texas ban

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Fri 21 Jul 2023 11.00 BST

Emotional testimonies from women and doctors continued into the second day of court hearings on the confusion surrounding exceptions under Texas’s restrictive abortion ban.

On Thursday, Austin Dennard, an OB-GYN doctor herself, delivered a tearful testimony as she recounted her experiences of being forced to travel out of state for an abortion due to a nonviable pregnancy.

Eleven weeks into the pregnancy last year, Dennard, who is pregnant again, learned that her baby had anencephaly, a rare and fatal condition affecting the development of the brain and can also pose a serious health risk to the mother. Explaining the condition, Dennard said that babies “survive seconds, minutes … maybe a day. They essentially struggle for air until they pass away.”

Due to a cardiac heartbeat, Dennard was unable to obtain an abortion in Texas and thus had to look elsewhere for an abortion.




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I just watched The Young Turks coverage on this, and they showed parts of Dennards testimony in court. It was so wrenching. At one point she starts throwing up and judge and bailiffs rush to her with trash cans. It made me sob. Fuck these horrible people.
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:yeahthat: it makes me literally shake with anger and sympathy
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The anti-abortion expert testifying is a TX ob-gyn who says the problem isn't the lack of clarity in the law, it's because nobody has explained it well enough to the doctors. They must have some stupid fucking doctors in TX if non-medical old white men can pass a law the doctors can't understand.

I had my second child (1986) at Presby in Dallas. I had fabulous doctors and an overall good experience throughout my pregnancy, with the exception of being verbally assaulted by the nutcase antis every time I drove into or out of the parking lot. I tried to report it and was told there was nothing that could be done about them. Well, except for the time I rolled the window up on a guy's arm and started to drive off when he tried to throw dead baby pictures in my car.
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Texas judge rules abortion ban too strict for risky pregnancies
State attorney general immediately appeals against ruling that says doctors must be allowed to end unsafe pregnancies

Associated Press in Austin
Sat 5 Aug 2023 09.49 BST

A judge in Texas has ruled that the state’s abortion ban is too restrictive for women with serious pregnancy complications and must allow exceptions without doctors fearing the threat of criminal charges.

The ruling in Austin was the first to undercut the law since it took effect in 2022 and delivers a major victory to abortion rights supporters, who see the case as a potential blueprint to weaken restrictions elsewhere that Republican-led states have rushed to implement.

However, the injunction was immediately blocked by an appeal to the Texas supreme court, the state attorney general’s office said.

“The trial court’s injunction is ineffective, and the status quo remains in effect,” the spokesperson Paige Willey said.

The ruling by the state district judge Jessica Mangrum granted a temporary injunction to prevent Texas from enforcing the ban against physicians who in their “good faith judgment” ended a pregnancy that, because of complications, created a risk of infection or was otherwise unsafe for the woman to continue.

The injunction also applied to women who had a condition “exacerbated by pregnancy” who could not be effectively treated during their term; and cases where the foetus had a condition that made it unlikely to survive after birth.

“For the first time in a long time, I cried for joy when I heard the news,” the lead plaintiff, Amanda Zurawski, said. “This is exactly why we did this. This is why we put ourselves through the pain and the trauma over and over again to share our experiences and the harms caused by these awful laws.”

Samantha Casiano outside court in Austin. Casiano was forced to give birth to a baby who died four hours later as a result of a fatal birth defect.
Texas women give harrowing testimony on impact of extreme abortion ban
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Mangrum’s decision said the injunction would run until the completion of the case, which is scheduled for a trial to begin next March.

However, the first assistant attorney general Brent Webster said in a statement that the state’s appeal “stays an activist Austin judge’s attempt to override Texas abortion laws pending a ruling by the Texas supreme court”.



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Ohio voters head to the polls to decide Issue 1
Ahead of a November vote on abortion rights, Republican lawmakers want voters to make it more difficult to amend the state constitution
Ohio voters will decide Tuesday whether or not to make it harder to amend the state constitution in a special election that has tremendous implications for the fate of abortion rights in the state.

For more than a century, Ohio voters have been able to amend the state constitution with a simple majority. The measure up for a vote on Tuesday would change that threshold to 60 percent.

If voters approve the amendment, they will set a much higher bar for passing a constitutional amendment guaranteeing abortion rights that is scheduled for November. Because of those stakes, Tuesday’s election has become a proxy fight over abortion.

Republicans who control the state legislature scheduled the election as abortion rights advocates gathered signatures this spring for the November measure. Republican leaders have said they wanted to make the abortion rights measure tougher to pass but also have embraced the proposal more broadly, saying changes to the state constitution should have overwhelming support. Opponents of changing the rules have called the measure anti-democratic, saying America is founded on the idea of majority rule.
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Ohio elected a faux hillbilly troll for a six-year Senate term.
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Let me vote to pass something that will make it harder for me to have a say in issues that affect my life, said nobody ever.

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Slim Cognito wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:47 am Let me vote to pass something that will make it harder for me to have a say in issues that affect my life, said nobody ever.

Oh wait.
One tends to perceive one's own side as more popular than it is and discounts evidence to the contrary. Therefore, one will see it as easier for "my side" to get 60% of the vote than it is for "your side" to get 60% of the vote on a given issue. Therefore, this won't affect "my side", only "your side."
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Ohio Issue No. 1 failed.
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Yes YES... and this bodes well for the 2024 general election. Good job! Way to Go Oh-Hi-Oh!

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On Deadline White House today, Jason Johnson said too many of the people who voted against Issue 1 today will probably keep voting for Republicans in the regular state and federal legislative races. So those elected officials will keep working to undermine the rights of women, people of color and other marginalized groups. He thinks it’s “same old, same old” unless or until that changes.
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Issue 1's majority is slipping slightly as more votes are counted. Seems that early voters were mostly Democrats.

I hope that those predicting a No vote win have factored this into their calculations.
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Volkonski wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:19 pm Issue 1's majority is slipping slightly as more votes are counted. Seems that early voters were mostly Democrats.

I hope that those predicting a No vote win have factored this into their calculations.
I believe so; others have called it as well.
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With 96% of the votes counted Issue 1 has clearly lost decisively. :thumbsup:
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